The Christian's relation to politics?

[Salty]

I'm for saving life. It's not just about abortion. Millions of lives are lost in unnecessary wars. What was gained on either side by the Vietnam war, the Iraq war or the War in Afghanistan..

Was WWII a necessary war? How about Korea - Korea is still free - without the USA - the South would be under communism --- Nam - well the politicians should have let the military fight it.---

Why do so-called pro-life people reject plans to provide food, shelter and medical care for the poor and needy? .

What makes you think we do not care. Christians support the Rescues Mission, Salvation Army, ect. Many churches have food pantries. Countless examples of providing for the physical needs of others.

Do y7ou support capital punishment? that is the taking of a human life.

Yes, I do! Yes, it is the taking of a human life. But capital punishment is NOT murder.
That individual has chosen to do evil - and it needs to be paid for. Yes, I realize that some have been sentenced - who were innocent- but now with DNA, appeals - ect - that is no longer the concern it was in the past.

Lets me ask you this - many Nazis were given the death penalty for their actions in WW II. Should they have been given only life imprisonment?

 

[FollowTheWay]

Was WWII a necessary war? How about Korea - Korea is still free - without the USA - the South would be under communism --- Nam - well the politicians should have let the military fight it.---

What makes you think we do not care. Christians support the Rescues Mission, Salvation Army, ect. Many churches have food pantries. Countless examples of providing for the physical needs of others.


Yes, I do! Yes, it is the taking of a human life. But capital punishment is NOT murder.
That individual has chosen to do evil - and it needs to be paid for. Yes, I realize that some have been sentenced - who were innocent- but now with DNA, appeals - ect - that is no longer the concern it was in the past.

Lets me ask you this - many Nazis were given the death penalty for their actions in WW II. Should they have been given only life imprisonment?

I am a Christian so please don't contrast "Christian" activities or views vs. mine. I'm referring to the beliefs and actions of the group characterized as "white evangelical Christians" who solidly supported Trump. I'm a Christian who continues to actively oppose him and everything he has done and stands for. My church has a Benevolency program which helps the needy with funds for rent, utilities etc. We also have a food pantry. I'm talking about actively opposing the use of government funds to do much more than the churches can afford to do. The Republican party has actively tried to reduce funding for Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid. Their tax policy is to reduce taxes on the wealthy and increase the tax load on the middle class.
You support a judicial system which provides one kind of justice for the rich and a very different kind of justice for the poor. Also, DNA methods have not removed the possibility of executing an innocent person. You claim someone convicted of murder must pay for that by having his life taken. That's your belief but is certainly not a Christian form of justice.
[Mat 5:38-39 KJV] 38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Those from many beliefs including Christianity talk about Just Wars. I believe the best answer is found by asking the simple question "What would Jesus do?" Obviously He did not view violence and the taking of life as the right approach. This is a high standard for us to follow so leeway is generally given. I would have supported WW2. The Korean war is a bit of a question for me because I'm not sure what it accomplished. There's no question in my mind about Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. They wasted a lot of money and killed millions (combatants and civilians). They accomplished nothing and left the countries we invaded worse off by far. Just look at Afghanistan today.

 

[Salty]

First taxes are way too high! The problem is excessive spending. Much of the spending by the US govt is constitutional per the 10th amendment.
and often the "cuts" the R's want is not less then the year before - but rather - cutting the increase - ie last year we spent $1000 The new budget makes it 1500, but the R's want it to be just 1200. got it.

 

[Salty]

First taxes are way too high! The problem is excessive spending. Much of the spending by the US govt is constitutional per the 10th amendment.
and often the "cuts" the R's want is not less then the year before - but rather - cutting the increase - ie last year we spent $1000 The new budget makes it 1500, but the R's
want it to be just 1200. got it.[/QUOTE

OOPS - I should have said - Much of the spending by the US govt is UN-constitutional; per the 10th amendment.

 

[5 point Gillinist]

Do y7ou support capital punishment? that is the taking of a human life.

I support capital punishment because I believe the bible - the shedding of innocent blood is an abomination to God. God commands it in Genesis 9:6.

Why do so-called pro-life people reject plans to provide food, shelter and medical care for the poor and needy?

This has no basis in fact, this is a talking point that I've heard several times over just like your prior talking point, and I can give you a firsthand account that this is wrong.

I've answered plenty of your questions, are you planning on answering any of my prior posts? Or just posting more talking points?

 

[Dave G]

Something that I have been curious about since the last presidential election is how does the Christian factor into the country's politics?

" Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of [this] life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier." ( 2 Timothy 2:3-4 ).

 

[FollowTheWay]

I support capital punishment because I believe the bible - the shedding of innocent blood is an abomination to God. God commands it in Genesis 9:6.





This has no basis in fact, this is a talking point that I've heard several times over just like your prior talking point, and I can give you a firsthand account that this is wrong.

I've answered plenty of your questions, are you planning on answering any of my prior posts? Or just posting more talking points?

Do you support the current administration's attempt to provide more food, housing and medical care to the poor? As you have said, you're not a Republican and want to support the poor. Right?

 

[Salty]

Do you support the current administration's attempt to provide more food, housing and medical care to the poor? As you have said, you're not a Republican and want to support the poor. Right?

I don't mind helping others - but many only take - but will not take any initiative. With the local food closet - the rules state that if you get food from them - to pass out - you are NOT allowed to asked them to do ANYTHING - that includes answering the phone, sweeping, ect. With that - I will NOT accept any from them - and thus will not support them - Unless you are in a comma - you can always do something. How about those who live in public housing - why does the govt have to pay someone to mow the grass, pick up trash - and ect. When I lived in military housing - we were required to do those things. So what is the problem - LACK OF RESPONSIBILITY!!!
So, FTW - do you think those getting help should contribute in some way?

 

[FollowTheWay]

First taxes are way too high! The problem is excessive spending. Much of the spending by the US govt is constitutional per the 10th amendment.
and often the "cuts" the R's want is not less then the year before - but rather - cutting the increase - ie last year we spent $1000 The new budget makes it 1500, but the R's want it to be just 1200. got it.

No, the problem is not taxing the wealthy enough and giving them too many loopholes. Here's the history of tax rates from 1960 - 2004. tax rate history graph - Google Search
Notice how the tax rate in 2004 compares to the one in 1960.
BTW, President Clinton put a work requirement on welfare.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Historical Federal Tax Rates by Income Group

 

[Salty]

No, the problem is not taxing the wealthy enough and giving them too many loopholes. Here's the history of tax rates from 1960 - 2004. tax rate history graph - Google Search
Notice how the tax rate in 2004 compares to the one in 1960.
BTW, President Clinton put a work requirement on welfare.

The top 1% of wage earners paid 38% of all income taxes
The Bottom 50% paid 3% of all federal income taxes
and remember many of them paid zero $ in taxes and some even recd back more than was withheld - also - just becuase you had taxes withheld - does not mean you actually paid taxes! (that just means you loaned money to the US govt interest free)

Please tell me what loopholes are the rich taking advantage of?
if it the millions they give to charity - - is it the millions they pay in State/commonwealth income and property tax?
Is it the amount they paid for medical bills?
Remember a middle and low income class taxpayer and his wife receive a $25,000 loophole. Even if you have NO deductible expenses - you pay Zero dollars on your first 25 grand!

Lots more to say - but this should get some thinking going.
Summary of the Latest Federal Income Tax Data, 2020 Update

 

[FollowTheWay]

The top 1% of wage earners paid 38% of all income taxes
The Bottom 50% paid 3% of all federal income taxes
and remember many of them paid zero $ in taxes and some even recd back more than was withheld - also - just becuase you had taxes withheld - does not mean you actually paid taxes! (that just means you loaned money to the US govt interest free)

Please tell me what loopholes are the rich taking advantage of?
if it the millions they give to charity - - is it the millions they pay in State/commonwealth income and property tax?
Is it the amount they paid for medical bills?
Remember a middle and low income class taxpayer and his wife receive a $25,000 loophole. Even if you have NO deductible expenses - you pay Zero dollars on your first 25 grand!

Lots more to say - but this should get some thinking going.
Summary of the Latest Federal Income Tax Data, 2020 Update

Warren Buffet stated publicly that he pays less in taxes percentage wise than his secretary does. Explain that.

 

[Salty]

Warren Buffet stated publicly that he pays less in taxes percentage wise than his secretary does. Explain that.

Nice question - but please respond to my statements first - then I will be glad to answer.

 

[Salty]

some say the rich do not pay their fair share.
(and my low income do not pay their fair share)

So you want everyone to pay taxes -
thus the reason I support the Automatic Electronic tax
everyone pays - NO loopholes
Auto Deposit Tax (The Tiny Tax)

 

[FollowTheWay]

Nice question - but please respond to my statements first - then I will be glad to answer.

1. Very wealthy people make most of their money on the stock market. The middle class males most of its money from their job (wages). The top tax rate on investment income is 23.8% while the top rate on wage income is 43.4%.
2. A Buffet inspired proposed rule is to tax millionaires a minimum of 30%. This would take out all the shady ways in which the rich avoid taxes. Wealthy private equity advisors pay the capital gains rate rather than the wage tax rate on their compensation. Why?
3. The payroll tax loophole for S corporations allows individuals to declare themselves as an S corporation and avoid paying this tax.
4. Also, many individuals incorporate themselves to allow deductions allowable for corporations and not individuals. How many workers on assembly lines incorporate themselves? My guess would be none.

The third point brings up another issue. We should look at all taxes and not just income (and capital gains) taxes

 

[Salty]

So what do you think of the Automatic tax - (will answer the othe things later - just got home)

 

[Miles Meunier]

King James Version Bible


Jude Chapter 1

2. Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.


2 Thessalonians Chapter 3

14. And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.

15. Yet count [him] not as an enemy, but admonish [him] as a brother.


Psalms Chapter 1

1. Blessed [is] the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.


Isaiah Chapter 10

1. Woe unto them that decree unrighteous decrees, and that write grievousness [which] they have prescribed;

2. To turn aside the needy from judgment, and to take away the right from the poor of my people, that widows may be their prey, and [that] they may rob the fatherless!


Matthew Chapter 22

37. Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38. This is the first and great commandment.

39. And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


John Chapter 13

34. A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.


1 Timothy Chapter 1

5. Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and [of] a good conscience, and [of] faith unfeigned:

 

[FollowTheWay]

So what do you think of the Automatic tax - (will answer the othe things later - just got home)

Please respond to my statement first but I have problems with the Automatic tax.