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The Collins and Fauci Attack on Public Health

Aaron

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LOL, to be informed, maybe? But therein lies your problem.You're not informed, and you're too lazy to inform yourself.

You have never argued from data, just from a big steaming pile of piety. You put forth the magistrates as your prophets and the jab as your charity, then belch curses on any dissent.

You're just a cowardly sloth. That's why you've retreated to Calvinism and your superstitious views of Romans 13. You don't think anything is demanded of you.

How about doing us all a favor? Huh? Shut up about covid unless you have some data, and shut up about the Gospel until you've labored therein. :Thumbsup

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AustinC

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LOL, to be informed, maybe? But therein lies your problem.You're not informed, and you're too lazy to inform yourself.

You have never argued from data, just from a big steaming pile of piety. You put forth the magistrates as your prophets and the jab as your charity, then belch curses on any dissent.

You're just a cowardly sloth. That's why you've retreated to Calvinism and your superstitious views of Romans 13. You don't think anything is demanded of you.

How about doing us all a favor? Huh? Shut up about covid unless you have some data, and shut up about the Gospel until you've labored therein. :Thumbsup
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Sadly, you don't want to be informed. You want an excuse for anarchy...and your posts show it.
 

RighteousnessTemperance&

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Why? The odds on you having a legitimate take on Covid have to be almost nothing. You have proved it over and over again as you continue to rebel against Romans 13.
We all know you are itching to rebel against authority and looking for any reason to do so.
Best you stop going to the dark web to grow your conspiracy and paranoia.
Sadly, you don't want to be informed. You want an excuse for anarchy...and your posts show it.
The main problem is that your posts exude ignorance and naïveté. They present a false position.

It would make just as much sense, and probably a lot more, to view COVID-19 as God’s judgment, and those desperately trying to avoid it via a potentially dangerous, premature, manmade vax, as in rebellion.

Certainly many of those in government, e.g., the Biden admin with their wide open border policy, are in rebellion against God’s instituted government of the US, namely COTUS.

Suggesting that he or anyone else can illegally mandate or do anything they want without resistance just because of title is ignorant of both civics and God’s word.
 

AustinC

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The main problem is that your posts exude ignorance and naïveté. They present a false position.

It would make just as much sense, and probably a lot more, to view COVID-19 as God’s judgment, and those desperately trying to avoid it via a potentially dangerous, premature, manmade vax, as in rebellion.

Certainly many of those in government, e.g., the Biden admin with their wide open border policy, are in rebellion against God’s instituted government of the US, namely COTUS.

Suggesting that he or anyone else can illegally mandate or do anything they want without resistance just because of title is ignorant of both civics and God’s word.
Covid is a result of the fall.
Obeying our Government is a command of God to us.
It is that simple.
The fact is that sinful Christians are extremely individualistic in the US where we lift up our individualism above the government God ordained. However, God does not endorse individualism above His ordained government anyplace in scripture.
We see David refusing to lay a hand on God's chosen King, even when that King is trying to kill him and God has already told him that he will be king.

At some point Christians in the US will be called to account before God for their rebellion...and it may come at the hands of the government simply because prideful individualism rejected God's ordained leaders.

We actually see it in the January 6th insurrection.
 

RighteousnessTemperance&

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Covid is a result of the fall.

Obeying our Government is a command of God to us.

It is that simple.

The fact is that sinful Christians are extremely individualistic in the US where we lift up our individualism above the government God ordained. However, God does not endorse individualism above His ordained government anyplace in scripture.

We see David refusing to lay a hand on God's chosen King, even when that King is trying to kill him and God has already told him that he will be king.

At some point Christians in the US will be called to account before God for their rebellion...and it may come at the hands of the government simply because prideful individualism rejected God's ordained leaders.

We actually see it in the January 6th insurrection.
Our government is ruled according to COTUS. By your own standards that was ordained by God. Yet your posts support violating it at the highest levels.

Anyone who would hold office must swear to uphold it. Putting to death anyone not according to COTUS would be a violation. Who is advocating doing that? No one on this board.

It is rebellion to refuse to follow COTUS, even for the president, or especially for the president, because he exercises so much authority.

Perhaps you will recall why king Darius could not save Daniel from being sentenced to the lion’s den? That’s right, because he could not rescind his own decree, which had been registered under the law of the Mede’s and Persians.

Similarly, COTUS does not allow a president to act outside its limits without resistance. Referring to such resistance as rebellion makes a mockery of the standards your posts supposedly endorse, including biblical standards.
 

RighteousnessTemperance&

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Covid is a result of the fall.
Obeying our Government is a command of God to us.
It is that simple.
The fact is that sinful Christians are extremely individualistic in the US where we lift up our individualism above the government God ordained. However, God does not endorse individualism above His ordained government anyplace in scripture.
We see David refusing to lay a hand on God's chosen King, even when that King is trying to kill him and God has already told him that he will be king.

At some point Christians in the US will be called to account before God for their rebellion...and it may come at the hands of the government simply because prideful individualism rejected God's ordained leaders.

We actually see it in the January 6th insurrection.
The railing against individual rights is also out of place, contrary to both Scripture and COTUS. The US Constitution specifically includes a Bill of Rights, and others have been enumerated since. The individual, as well as the state, is deliberately protected from tyranny even from the highest levels.

Surely you recall that even the apostle Paul on several occasions invoked his individual rights as a Roman citizen, something not available to all. For example, see Acts 16:35ff; 22:22ff; 25:8ff.

It is wrongheaded to the point of unbiblical to maintain that God has no concern for individual rights where government is concerned.

If anything is rebellious, it is your posts essentially anointing with godhood government officials who are under the law rather than themselves the law.

Of course would-be tyrants with the villainous hearts of a Simon Legree or an Idi Amin or a communist dictator or a Dem Progressive Leftist would relish the unwarranted endorsements of your posts. Perhaps some do.
 

AustinC

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Our government is ruled according to COTUS. By your own standards that was ordained by God. Yet your posts support violating it at the highest levels.

Anyone who would hold office must swear to uphold it. Putting to death anyone not according to COTUS would be a violation. Who is advocating doing that? No one on this board.

It is rebellion to refuse to follow COTUS, even for the president, or especially for the president, because he exercises so much authority.

Perhaps you will recall why king Darius could not save Daniel from being sentenced to the lion’s den? That’s right, because he could not rescind his own decree, which had been registered under the law of the Mede’s and Persians.

Similarly, COTUS does not allow a president to act outside its limits without resistance. Referring to such resistance as rebellion makes a mockery of the standards your posts supposedly endorse, including biblical standards.
Romans 13:1-7

Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God. So anyone who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished. For the authorities do not strike fear in people who are doing right, but in those who are doing wrong. Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you. The authorities are God’s servants, sent for your good. But if you are doing wrong, of course you should be afraid, for they have the power to punish you. They are God’s servants, sent for the very purpose of punishing those who do what is wrong. So you must submit to them, not only to avoid punishment, but also to keep a clear conscience. Pay your taxes, too, for these same reasons. For government workers need to be paid. They are serving God in what they do. Give to everyone what you owe them: Pay your taxes and government fees to those who collect them, and give respect and honor to those who are in authority.

Either we obey or we don’t. All people in authority are placed there by God for you to submit to their authority. God is very clear, it's just a matter of whether we are going to take God seriously or pick and choose where and when we obey God.
 

Aaron

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Romans 13:1-7

Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God. So anyone who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished. For the authorities do not strike fear in people who are doing right, but in those who are doing wrong. Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you. The authorities are God’s servants, sent for your good. But if you are doing wrong, of course you should be afraid, for they have the power to punish you. They are God’s servants, sent for the very purpose of punishing those who do what is wrong. So you must submit to them, not only to avoid punishment, but also to keep a clear conscience. Pay your taxes, too, for these same reasons. For government workers need to be paid. They are serving God in what they do. Give to everyone what you owe them: Pay your taxes and government fees to those who collect them, and give respect and honor to those who are in authority.

Either we obey or we don’t. All people in authority are placed there by God for you to submit to their authority. God is very clear, it's just a matter of whether we are going to take God seriously or pick and choose where and when we obey God.
We need to lay Austin's cadaverous 'exposition,' if it can even be called such, to rest. And we need to stop responding. He's preaching a lie and he's accusing the brethren, both marks of the works of Satan. He is working to make us think that collectivism is Christianity, and that bondage is a virtue.

Now we could go into the law, and point out God's separation of powers of the civil government of Israel, and the limits placed on their magistrates, and the blessing of private land ownership, and the protections of individual rights as citizens of the nation, and the protection of human rights as strangers, and I may begin a thread on that, but I don't think there is much interest. (BTW, Deuteronomy was the most quoted book during the Constitutional Covention.)

But for now let's just decapitate his main agrument for compulsory vaccination: that it is the holy duty of a Christian to blindly submit to tyranny.

My King said to render unto Caesar the thing's that are Caesar's, and unto God, the things that are God's. Here, my King, far from equating Caesar's edicts with His Own, and, to Austin's horror, commands discernment on our part as to whom and what we yield.

As far as medicine is concerned, and things that are called medicine, is my body Caesar's or is it God's? It is God's. Who is to do the rendering? The one living in the body. This is the basis of the right to be secure in our persons, and the basis of informed consent.
 

Aaron

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So, Romans 13. Let every soul be subject . . .

EVERY soul, even Caesar's, be subject to the higher powers. Caesar is subject to my King. When Caesar takes what is not his, he ceases to be a ruler, and has become a tyrant.

When we have the power to bring Caesar to justice for it, it is the holy duty of the Christian to do so. Romans 13 is the justification of the American Revolution.
 

AustinC

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We need to lay Austin's cadaverous 'exposition,' if it can even be called such, to rest. And we need to stop responding. He's preaching a lie and he's accusing the brethren, both marks of the works of Satan. He is working to make us think that collectivism is Christianity, and that bondage is a virtue.

Now we could go into the law, and point out God's separation of powers of the civil government of Israel, and the limits placed on their magistrates, and the blessing of private land ownership, and the protections of individual rights as citizens of the nation, and the protection of human rights as strangers, and I may begin a thread on that, but I don't think there is much interest. (BTW, Deuteronomy was the most quoted book during the Constitutional Covention.)

But for now let's just decapitate his main agrument for compulsory vaccination: that it is the holy duty of a Christian to blindly submit to tyranny.

My King said to render unto Caesar the thing's that are Caesar's, and unto God, the things that are God's. Here, my King, far from equating Caesar's edicts with His Own, and, to Austin's horror, commands discernment on our part as to whom and what we yield.

As far as medicine is concerned, and things that are called medicine, is my body Caesar's or is it God's? It is God's. Who is to do the rendering? The one living in the body. This is the basis of the right to be secure in our persons, and the basis of informed consent.
A perfect example of one who desperately seeks to justify defying God so he can continue an unjustified radical independence and anarchy against any authority he deems wrong.
Remember that the Apostles submitted themselves under the authority of Nero.
May we obey God and submit to the government He has placed over us.
 
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