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The Colorado Wedding Cake Fight

JohnDeereFan

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I usually agree with you on so many things. However, businesses do not and should not have the right to discriminate against others. Otherwise, we'd still have "white only" restaurants. One, it's the law of the land. Two, personally and (spiritually), I think it's just wrong. As a Christian, I do my best to serve all of my clients - regardless of color, ethnicity, sexual orientation, religion, whatever -- all to the glory of God.

So, you would participate in something God has called sin "for the glory of God"?
 

Reynolds

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There's a huge difference between owning an business that is open to everyone vs. forcing someone to make signs, bake cakes, etc. with slogans that goes against your beliefs.
I don't think the cake has a slogan on it. I have never seen a wedding cake with a slogan. Fact is, a business should be able to serve who they please. If a business wants to say "No Native Americans" I have no problem with that. I would be glad they let me know their heart because I would prefer not give money to someone who hates me.
 

Yeshua1

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It was stunning to many people that the U.S. Supreme Court even took up the case of Jack Phillips, the owner of Masterpiece Cakeshop in Lakewood, Colorado, who refused, on religious grounds claiming a violation of First Amendment rights to make a cake for gay couple, Dave Mullins and Charlie Craig, who came in to buy a wedding cake... The following link below tells the whole story... Thoughts?... Brother Glen:)

Yesterday The Supreme Court Jolted LGBTQ People With A Frightening Reality
The key point to me in this is that the bakers did NOT refuse to assist the gay couple, as they would make anything asked for, but refused to actually cater it and be on the premise. That should be within their rights, as how would a jewish baker feel if compelled to serve a Nazi wedding?
 

Salty

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The key point to me in this is that the bakers did NOT refuse to assist the gay couple, as they would make anything asked for, but refused to actually cater it and be on the premise. That should be within their rights, as how would a jewish baker feel if compelled to serve a Nazi wedding?

actually the baker said he is an artist - and that an artist should not be required to make something that he finds objectionable.

Later someone went to local bakers and asked for a cake with an anti-hom0se/ual message. Judge Alito stated: "It's OK for a baker who supports same-sex marriage to refuse to create a cake with a message that is opposed to same-sex marriage,.... "But when the tables are turned and you have the baker who opposes same-sex marriage, that baker may be compelled to create a cake that expresses approval of same-sex marriage."
click here for link of story:
 

JohnDeereFan

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The analysis I've read says that the court will probably decide against the baker on the merits of the case, but will probably decide for the baker based on the fact that Colorado showed egregious anti-Christian bias.
 

Aaron

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Freedom means I can refuse service for any reason, whether it's the color of your skin or your fetishes. Simple as that.
 

thatbrian

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Freedom means I can refuse service for any reason, whether it's the color of your skin or your fetishes. Simple as that.

I've asked a person, more than once, to leave my retail store because I didn't like his attitude.
 

FriendofSpurgeon

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Okay, but can you answer TC question.
IN post # 7 you said a business should not be allowed to discriminate.
but now you say a business should not be forced to make a cake or sign

So which is it?

The answer is both. I believe that there is a difference.

Suppose I have a T-Shirt company and sell both pre-printed shirts and made to order shirts. I do have the right to discriminate. As such, anyone can buy a pre-printed shirt.

However, I should not be forced to print any shirt that goes against my conscience.
 

robycop3

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Brethren, if i'm running a business, footing all the bills, taking all the risks of running a business, I should have the right to sell or not to sell my wares to anyone I choose. After all, "I'M" the one losing $$ by not selling. The prospective customer is none the worse for wear. He can go to any business he/she chooses.
 

Salty

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I should still be able to operate my business and not be forced to condone activities against my religious beliefs, as if Jewish, hate to be forced to support Nazi party!

OH, I agree with "should be" but the law - is the law - regardless how bad the law is.
I trust that the SCOTUS overrules this commision ruling.
 

thatbrian

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Currently, our laws forbid discrimination for protected classes (includes virtually everyone) with very exceptions

Here are the exceptions: White, male, Christian, Conservative, business owner, successful. I am all 6, so there is a target on my back.
 
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