The Command of God

[tyndale1946]

Because everyone has already sinned

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

That is so true Hank but to the child of God... Thank God there is this... Brother Glen

Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[utilyan]

Because everyone has already sinned

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

I got the response
"Jesus told another man "Pick up your mat and walk". So therefore all people all over the world are commanded to pick up their mats and walk"

I don't know if they are being "smart aleck" or sincere.

 

[1689Dave]

God COMMANDS all people in the world not to sin. God COMMANDS all people to LOVE GOD and LOVE NEIGHBOR.

Why do NON-Calvinist believe that when GOD COMMANDS something that is his ACTUAL WANT and SINCERE DESIRE?


When God COMMANDS all people not to sin.....Does he REALLY, REALLY, sincerely and actually want them NOT TO SIN and be SAVE?

Does GOD desire that ALL PEOPLE in the world be SAVED!?

Good people do not need law. Paul says;

“realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,” 1 Timothy 1:9–10 (NASB95)

And it could not save. It forced wicked people to act good under threat of death, exile, war, sickness, poverty and the like. While promising physical temporary benefits for obedience. The obedient thought they were good for not stealing when they wanted to. But good people do not want to steal.

Abraham and all believers did not need the law, but naturally fulfilled it through the Two Great Commandments of love for God and people written on their hearts.

After the wicked served their purpose, God removed them from Israel leaving only the faithful like Abraham under Christ. He did this by abolishing the Law (Jeremiah 31:31–33) and replacing it with the New Covenant for believers only. To this Israel, God grafts in believing gentiles. And any of the broken off ethnic Israel who come to faith in Christ.

 

[utilyan]

Good people do not need law. Paul says;

“realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,” 1 Timothy 1:9–10 (NASB95)

And it could not save. It forced wicked people to act good under threat of death, exile, war, sickness, poverty and the like. While promising physical temporary benefits for obedience. The obedient thought they were good for not stealing when they wanted to. But good people do not want to steal.

Abraham and all believers did not need the law, but naturally fulfilled it through the Two Great Commandments of love for God and people written on their hearts.

After the wicked served their purpose, God removed them from Israel leaving only the faithful like Abraham under Christ. He did this by abolishing the Law (Jeremiah 31:31–33) and replacing it with the New Covenant for believers only. To this Israel, God grafts in believing gentiles. And any of the broken off ethnic Israel who come to faith in Christ.

Under this theology who is NOT FORCED to act good?

Ok so when you hear God command all Love God and Neighbor. Does he REALLY, REALLY, sincerely and actually want them NOT TO SIN ?

 

[1689Dave]

Under this theology who is NOT FORCED to act good?

Ok so when you hear God command all Love God and Neighbor. Does he REALLY, REALLY, sincerely and actually want them NOT TO SIN ?

He wants born again believers to love him and people. So he gives us a new nature that does this, just as with all the born again in both covenants. He does not expect the unregenerate to do this, so he gave them the Ten Commandments instead.

 

[HankD]

I got the response
"Jesus told another man "Pick up your mat and walk". So therefore all people all over the world are commanded to pick up their mats and walk"

No - pick up your mat and walk - not - all of you pick up your mat and walk - context, context, context...

 

[utilyan]

He wants born again believers to love him and people. So he gives us a new nature that does this, just as with all the born again in both covenants. He does not expect the unregenerate to do this, so he gave them the Ten Commandments instead.

God commands all people not to sin. ALL meaning ALL. TRUE OR FALSE?

 

[utilyan]

Well, until you can point to someone here making that claim, I don’t see what the point of debating it here.

^^^^^ there it is

 

[1689Dave]

God commands all people not to sin. ALL meaning ALL. TRUE OR FALSE?

“Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.” Acts 14:16 (KJV 1900)

“And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.” Acts 17:30–31 (KJV 1900)

All men = gentiles and Jews. Not just Jews as in the OT era.

 

[HankD]

God commands all people not to sin. ALL meaning ALL. TRUE OR FALSE?

You seem to be the God-expert you tell us.

 

[Rob_BW]

^^^^^ there it is

Are you seeking help in debating this other guy on another board? If so, why not spell it out in the first post?

 

[utilyan]

You seem to be the God-expert you tell us.

I think God is being sincere and honest when he says he commands all people NOT TO SIN.

In other words he is SINCERELY and HONESTLY WANTS and DESIRES all people in the world to LOVE GOD AND NEIGHBOR.

 

[utilyan]

Are you seeking help in debating this other guy on another board? If so, why not spell it out in the first post?

I didn't know if that was a shared view across the board. It gets pretty close when a person says Love God and Neighbor applies to Christians only.

 

[HankD]

I think God is being sincere and honest when he says he commands all people NOT TO SIN.

In other words he SINCERELY and HONESTLY WANTS and DESIRES all people in the world to LOVE GOD AND NEIGHBOR.

I Wholeheartedly agree.