The Culture War is Over and We Lost

[ray Marshall]

There are only two things I watch on TV on a regular basis that help me escape a little while from the burdens of everyday life - Jeopardy, and Wheel of Fortune.

Tonight I was (mis)treated to the sight of an openly gay man and his "fiance" flaunt their perversion on Wheel of Fortune. Hello kids, we're here, we're queer, and we're in your face. And everybody just stands around and acts like we're normal so we must be normal, right?

The culture war is over and we lost. I wouldn't even be surprised if BB admin takes down this thread due to the possibility of getting sued by homosexual lawyers. We live in a police state where any public opposition to indecency can get you sued or even arrested.

Am I overstating the case or is it time to start looking for new solutions since whatever we are doing now isn't working?

Go ahead, cheer me up if you can. Show me why I am just a pessimist and there really is a silver lining to every cloud.

You must be careful of what you say. You could be arrested for making such accusatations. I don't know what law you may have broken, but it really doesn't matter anymore.

 

[JustChristian]

You totally miss my point. Who will be next, the atheist? Or perhaps the Jehovah's Witness? They are equally wrong. These people have the right to be gay as you have the right to be Christian.

I don't like girls wearing rings in their ears, noses, eyes or elsewhere, but they have a right to do it. People own guns and I don't like that, but they have a right to own a gun. Is there a law of the land that says people can't be gay?

We have a law that gives them that right. Shucks, we even have a law that allows women to walk down the street with a naked chest as do men all the time. I may not like it, but it is a law. They have a right to do that by law. Thank God only a few put a test to that law, but it is there.

You have laws. When they break the law, they get arrested. Constant banterng about what they are will not change that law, and especially whilst preaching to the converted on every turn of what is supposed to be a Christian Board.

That is my point. When I fought for freedom, I didn't draw the line and say "only for true Christians". I fought for freedom.

Cheers,

Jim

What about single people? Don't they push the notion that not getting married and not having children is acceptable? Doesn't the Bible basically support marriage over being single? This isn't viewed as an aberration so much today but 100 years ago if you were a single woman (especially) you were looked down upon. A single woman in say 1885 over the age of 25 was called a spinster.

 

[Don]

It's never been a sin to be single.

 

[Palatka51]

It's never been a sin to be single.

If so then the Apostle Paul did not make it.

 

[Jonah]

........ These people have the right to be gay as you have the right to be Christian.

You give yourself away in that is from the perspective that rights are granted as opposed to protected. For a right is a moral, biblical principal that was imprinted into the minds of those that drafted the original laws of this America.
I believe today's view of individual rights were not only inconceivable but would have been absurd to them.
The Bible was their ultimate reference to law. Like it or not.

 

[Jonah]

Doesn't the Bible basically support marriage over being single?

1 Corinthians 7:1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 32 .......... He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord:
33 But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife.

 

[Jim1999]

Get over the dream that the USA was founded on Christianity. The founders wrote the basis of structure, not the Bible. England has a state church and it wasn't founded on Christianity either.

Why do so many claim 5th amendment rights? They are not based on biblical truths. Where do you find the right to bear arms in the Bible?

Cheers......oh, I am not American,

Jim

 

[Palatka51]

Get over the dream that the USA was founded on Christianity. The founders wrote the basis of structure, not the Bible. England has a state church and it wasn't founded on Christianity either.

Why do so many claim 5th amendment rights? They are not based on biblical truths. Where do you find the right to bear arms in the Bible?

Cheers......oh, I am not American,

Jim

Well hello Cheerful,

Did not Jesus evoke the right to remain silent? Yes, before Herod and Pilate.

Did not Jesus tell His disciples to go and buy swords? Yes

And sense you are not an American, who gives you the right to speak about American matters that do not relate to your own nation?

 

[Jim1999]

I'll remember that the next time some bloke mouths off about England or Canada.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Palatka51]

I'll remember that the next time some bloke mouths off about England or Canada.

Cheers,

Jim

Mr Cheerful;

The only cometary I have read regarding England or Canada has been about their relationship to American policy. Never have I read posts about how bad or evil their citizens or officials are.

 

[pinoybaptist]

I read most of the posts, and I think Marcia is the only one, so far, that is hitting the nail on the head. Mostly.
The issue is not being gay. They can be as homosexual as they want to be, or as lesbian as they want to be, or as bisexual as they want to be, I personally really don't care.
But the thing is that for so many years now these perverts (and please, they are exactly that: perverts) have been lobbying everywhere they can to put their "elephants" into our living rooms, our schools, our streets, and everywhere else.
And I guess they have succeeded.
Case in point are the two sodomites JD cited.
I have a homosexual nephew, practicing to the core, and I love him to death. He is my sister's son.
I have gotten into many a scrape in malls because "machos" said something inappropriate to him in my presence.
But I have told him many times, and he believes I mean it, that if I ever chance on him on the street walking with his "boyfriend" in a manner that heterosexual sweethearts do, I will kick him all the way home to my sister's house.
I don't hate "gays" (what I hate is their having hijacked such a proper English word), but their lifestyle is not normal, it is perverse, unGodly, filthy, and totally upside down. In the Bible's words: "it is confusion".
And I resent their forcing society to accept that lifestyle as normal.

 

[Jonah]

:tonofbricks:

Get over the dream that the USA was founded on Christianity. The founders wrote the basis of structure, not the Bible. England has a state church and it wasn't founded on Christianity either.

Why do so many claim 5th amendment rights? They are not based on biblical truths. Where do you find the right to bear arms in the Bible?

Cheers......oh, I am not American,

Jim

I suppose you are also going to say they never held Sunday Worship Services in the Capitol either.

David Barton said it best:
John Locke's Two Treatises of Civil Government, from 1765. This is the basis of the Declaration. This quotes the Bible 1,700 times to show the proper operation of civil government. No wonder we have had a successful government. There are 1700 Bible verses at the base of what they did in writing the Declaration.

If it wasn't for guns we wouldn't be celebrating the 4th of July, Independence Day. Maybe thats your problem? :laugh:

 

[SeekingTruth]

I agree we have lost, not the war, but a major battle. The true war was won at the resurrection. All else are battles. The homosexuals have indeed invaded our schools, our government (executive, legislative and judicial), some of the so-called "main stream" churches, on and on. We are facing the very real possibility that the US Congress will pass and Obama will sign laws that may provide severe penalties for just criticizing the homosexual community. We must continue to battle against this evil even though we may be weary of the fight. Yet, I know that the power of an almighty and righteous God will prevail and in the end, His justice will be established and the entire universe will proclaim that Jesus is God. Persevere my Christian brothers and sisters. Persevere.

 

[JustChristian]

I think you're talking about the wrong battle on the wrong battleground. Did Christ come to set up a worldly kingdom? No, He came to set up the Kingdom of God. Our battle is for the hearts and souls of the lost not for control of Congress. We are told in the Bible that Christians are to be in this world but not of this world.

The Roman empire was doing some pretty terrible things in Jesus' time to maintain iots power over the countries and peoples it had conquered. At times crosses literally lined the roads. Homosexuality and other forms of debauchery including slavery was practiced in Rome. Did Jesus even so much as lift a finger to stop any of this or to subdue Rome? No. Those who most misunderstood his purpose for coming to earth expected Him to do this.

No, Christians will have lost the battle not when they fail to put the Ten Commandments in the Courthouse or have the legislature legislate morality but when they lose their faith and quit sharing it with the lost. They will lose when they wall themselves up in their churches and not venture out to show love to their fellow human beings.

No government throughout history has represented Christian principles. That responsibility is still rightfully left up to us as individual Christians.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Why are we surprised that the sinful world accepts and celebrates sin? This is nothing new and has been around since Noah's day.

What is relatively new (since the time of Constantine) is that Christians expect the world to be Christian and have Christian laws and moral codes. In the process, we forget that Christ came to transform people, not the laws and social codes they are forced to live under.