The Days Are Coming When There Will Be A New Covenant With Israel & Judah

[OldRegular]

How many times has a dispensationalist denied this to you?

I have yet to see a dispensationalist agree that John 5:28,29 teaches a general resurrection and judgment.

 

[DHK]

I have yet to see a dispensationalist agree that John 5:28,29 teaches a general resurrection and judgment.

Surely you don't hang all your theology on just one verse?

Revelation 20:5-7 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

There are two resurrections separated by a thousand years. It is plainly described right here.

 

[OldRegular]

Surely you don't hang all your theology on just one verse?

Revelation 20:5-7 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

There are two resurrections separated by a thousand years. It is plainly described right here.

So I base my doctrine on two very clear verses from the mouth of my Lord Jesus Christ and you base your doctrine on three verses written in symbolic language from a book written primarily in symbolic language. But you still have not a single verse of Scripture that shows the pre-trib rapture!

Actually it is not "My Doctrine". It is the doctrine the Baptist churches held until John Nelson Darby developed his dispensational doctrine. And unlike dispensationalism the early Baptist fathers did not have to invent a "parenthesis" church to support their doctrine.

Actually DHK, the first resurrection and only resurrection to date is that of Jesus Christ. Those who have part in the first resurrection are the "true believers". The second death, the lake of fire, has no power over the Saints.

 

[DHK]

So I base my doctrine on two very clear verses from the mouth of my Lord Jesus Christ and you base your doctrine on three verses written in symbolic language from a book written primarily in symbolic language. But you still have not a single verse of Scripture that shows the pre-trib rapture!

They are very clear verses. They speak of a resurrection of the just and a resurrection of the unjust; not one but two resurrections. Your interpretation of that same passage is flawed. Jesus speaks of two resurrections in that same passage.

Actually it is not "My Doctrine". It is the doctrine the Baptist churches held until John Nelson Darby developed his dispensational doctrine. And unlike dispensationalism the early Baptist fathers did not have to invent a "parenthesis" church to support their doctrine.

Again you speak in absolutes, statements that you cannot prove and have no evidence for. Have you evidence that there is no church before Darby that did not believe in two resurrections? I don't believe you do. So stop with the uncertain babble. Back up your statements with evidence or don't make them.
I have already proved you wrong once, and still you sputter out false statements. What a shame.
Read the link I gave you. Get an education!
http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/dispensation.htm

I'll quote from it again:

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[SIZE=+2]Writings of Justin Martyr, (A.D. 110-165)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]Iranaeus (A.D. 130-200)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]Clement of Alexandria (A.D. 150-220)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]Augustine (A.D. 354-430)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]Pierre Poiret (1646-1719)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]John Edwards (1637-1716)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]Isaac Watts (1674-1748)

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Actually DHK, the first resurrection and only resurrection to date is that of Jesus Christ. Those who have part in the first resurrection are the "true believers". The second death, the lake of fire, has no power over the Saints.

Christ is the "firstfruits of the resurrection."
When he comes again, believers will be raised to meet him in the air (the rapture) according to 1Thes. 4:16-18.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
--We will be caught up together to meet the Lord in the air. The Lord at this time does not come to earth, not to the Mount of Olives (Zech.7:14--does not split the mount), does not defeat the enemies of Israel, does not save Israel, does not come in the glory of His Father with the Holy Angels (Mark 8:38)

Rather, when he does come again, over 1,000 years later it will be with vengeance:
2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
--A completely different description as you can see.
He comes with his angels this time.
In flaming fire taking vengeance on those that do not obey the gospel.
Meting out everlasting destruction to these unbelievers.

The two scenes are very much different. They are a thousand years apart--just like the two resurrections are a thousand years apart.

 

[RLBosley]

Man you guys have been busy! I don't look at this thread for 2 days and it doubles in length!

Anyway, in all the discussion between DHK and OR (good discussion BTW. Just, gentlemen, try to breath! Don't break the keyboards.) I think the below was missed or perhaps just skipped over. How has this not been addressed?

This poster clearly believes in TWO gospels! Galatians 1 is pretty clear on what that means.

Replacement theologians have to maintain that there is but "one gospel" and that the Jewish nation rejected it.
This is the foundation of Catholicism from the 4th Century onward to today.

If you want the "gospel" for this era, you need look no further than John's Gospel. Having been written
20+ years after the destruction of the Temple, and John having been confined to a Gentile penal colony,
John preached the simple gospel that any uneducated Gentile could understand without reference to a restoration
of the earth (ie: "Millennium"), rulership of earth from a throne in Jerusalem by a Messiah, or writings of Moses, or of David, or the Tenach, etc.

John 1:12-13 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

However, Jesus' prophetic statement still stands unfulfilled:
And this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mt 24:14

Now, the Replacement Theologians will tell you that the Kingdom is already established on earth and that the "King" is ruling it from Heaven.
If you believe that, then I have some oceanfront property for sale here in Arizona.

But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; Gal 2:7

Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the
revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, Rom 16:25

Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel: 2 Tim 2:8

According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust. 1 Tim 1:11

In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. Rom 2:16

"Replacement Theology" is 4th Century Catholic Theology. Augustine of Hippo was its main proponent ("Saint Augustine").

And this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Mt 24:14

Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.

The "Four Spiritual Laws" (tract) makes no mention of a coming Kingdom,
it makes no mention of these things because they are unnecessary.
The Gospel of the Kingdom however, of necessity does.

I don't even know where to begin... To call this a complete lack of understanding of scripture and mangling of the biblical story would be an EPIC understatement!

And who gives a rip what the "Four Spiritual Laws" tract says about the "coming Kingdom"? The tract is for the gospel, not to educate the unbeliever in eschatology! Of course you don't understand that since you, insanely, think that there are two gospels, one "of the Kingdom" and another of the Gentiles or whatever you wish to call it. That, sir, is completely false. One savior, one kingdom, with one gospel for all time.

You deny that Jesus is presently reigning, but again scripture says otherwise:

Acts 2:32-36 (HCSB) 32 “God has resurrected this Jesus. We are all witnesses of this. 33 Therefore, since He has been exalted to the right hand of God and has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit, He has poured out what you both see and hear. 34 For it was not David who ascended into the heavens, but he himself says:

The Lord declared to my Lord,
‘Sit at My right hand
35 until I make Your enemies Your footstool.’

36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah!”

Ephesians 1: 20-23 (HCSB) 20 He demonstrated this power in the Messiah by raising Him from the dead and seating Him at His right hand in the heavens— 21 far above every ruler and authority, power and dominion, and every title given, not only in this age but also in the one to come. 22 And He put everything under His feet[l] and appointed Him as head over everything for the church, 23 which is His body, the fullness of the One who fills all things in every way.

And is anyone else amused that the two dispensationalists both through out Augustine's name, but saying one saying he was a "replacement theologian" (queue evil music and screams) the other saying he was a dispensationalist! :laugh:

Pink was dispy in his early years but like many others saw "the modern and pernicious error of Dispensationism" and not only left it, but wrote against it in his last days.

Brief bio here:

The Preacher That Nobody Wanted

I've heard good things about Pink, but have yet to read any of his stuff myself. Going to have to look into the links this week.

 

[kyredneck]

...I've heard good things about Pink, but have yet to read any of his stuff myself. Going to have to look into the links this week.

I've read several of his books, if you love the types and allegories of scripture he's your man, begin with 'Gleanings in Genesis', a foundation in the scriptures that will serve you well. Many others are good, 'Sovereignty of God', 'Elijah', 'David', 'John', 'Hebrews', he was a prolific and gifted writer.

 

[OldRegular]

They are very clear verses. They speak of a resurrection of the just and a resurrection of the unjust; not one but two resurrections. Your interpretation of that same passage is flawed. Jesus speaks of two resurrections in that same passage.

John 5:28, 29
28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Yes but the resurrections occur at the same time DHK, the HOUR in the which ALL shall HEAR his voice And shall come FORTH.

You can't slice and dice that in the typical manner of dispensational eisegesis, DHK!

Again you speak in absolutes, statements that you cannot prove and have no evidence for. Have you evidence that there is no church before Darby that did not believe in two resurrections? I don't believe you do. So stop with the uncertain babble. Back up your statements with evidence or don't make them.

Make up your mind am I speaking in ABSOLUTES or UNCERTAIN BABBLE?

I have already proved you wrong once, and still you sputter out false statements. What a shame.

You have proven nothing except you are devious in your responses.

Read the link I gave you. Get an education!
http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/dispensation.htm

I'll quote from it again:
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The Bible is my link!

Christ is the "firstfruits of the resurrection."

Jesus Christ is the First Resurrection and that is a fact.

When he comes again, believers will be raised to meet him in the air (the rapture) according to 1Thes. 4:16-18.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
--We will be caught up together to meet the Lord in the air. The Lord at this time does not come to earth, not to the Mount of Olives (Zech.7:14--does not split the mount), does not defeat the enemies of Israel, does not save Israel, does not come in the glory of His Father with the Holy Angels (Mark 8:38)

Rather, when he does come again, over 1,000 years later it will be with vengeance:
2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
--A completely different description as you can see.
He comes with his angels this time.
In flaming fire taking vengeance on those that do not obey the gospel.
Meting out everlasting destruction to these unbelievers.

The two scenes are very much different. They are a thousand years apart--just like the two resurrections are a thousand years apart.

Repeating Scripture and assuming they prove a pre-trib "snatching away" of the Church proves nothing except that people have fallen for Darbyism!

 

[OldRegular]

Good post RLB. You see in beameup exactly what I see. And of course Jesus Christ is reigning now. Where would we be if He were not?

And of course RLB, Mr DHK wants me to use the Moody Handbook to "eddicate" myself. Now I believe Moody was dispensational and have no idea whether the handbook is tainted or not. If I mention Baptist Confessions I am following the teaching of men rather than Scripture but then there is the good ole reliable Moody Handbook.

 

[DHK]

Good post RLB. You see in beameup exactly what I see. And of course Jesus Christ is reigning now. Where would we be if He were not?

And of course RLB, Mr DHK wants me to use the Moody Handbook to "eddicate" myself. Now I believe Moody was dispensational and have no idea whether the handbook is tainted or not. If I mention Baptist Confessions I am following the teaching of men rather than Scripture but then there is the good ole reliable Moody Handbook.

I believe the reference to "Moody" is a reference to either Moody Bible Institute or Moody Publishing House. It has nothing to do with the author or the person. Surely you have heard of books like "Zondervan's Bible Atlas," but I don't think the author is "Zondervan."
The author of the book is Dr. Paul Ennis, a conservative pastor and scholar.
You shouldn't mock him.

Yes, OR, Jesus was reigning when Muslims attacked the WTC, wasn't he?
That is your kind of kingdom. Every year 1000 Christian girls are kidnapped and "forced" into converting to Islam. That is in Pakistan alone. They are raped; sold off as wives to young men who beat them into submission. That is your kind of kingdom with Christ on the throne. You can have it.
It is not the kingdom that Christ speaks of or the Bible speaks of. It is Satan's kingdom; the one that you live in at this present time if you would open your eyes and see what is really going on.

 

[DHK]

The Bible is my link!

And thus your ignorance.

Jesus Christ is the First Resurrection and that is a fact.

There are two resurrections that Jesus spoke of, and neither one of them is His.
If you say that one of them is His, that leaves you only in the second one--the unjust. Is this what you are telling me? You can't be involved in two resurrections OR!
[qute]Repeating Scripture and assuming they prove a pre-trib "snatching away" of the Church proves nothing except that people have fallen for Darbyism![/QUOTE]
Repeating yourself won't do any good to reconcile two passages of Scripture.
I gave you Scripture. You can't reconcile the two passages can you?
All you can do is mock and shout.

BTW, the quote from the website is in bold and large fonts because that is the way it copies and pastes into the board, not because I deliberately put it that way. I just don't take the time to try and change everything back to smaller fonts.

 

[OldRegular]

The Bible is my link!

Response posted by DHK
And thus your ignorance.

Your response to my claiming the Bible as "My Link" speaks volumes about you DHK!

Jesus Christ is the First Resurrection and that is a fact.

There are two resurrections that Jesus spoke of, and neither one of them is His.

Are you denying that Jesus Christ is the First Resurrection? It appears so from your above response since Orthodox Christianity has long accepted that Scripture is Divinely inspired by God. The Apostle Paul tells us:

1 Corinthians 15:3-6
3. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4. And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5. And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6. After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7. After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

Now can you present any Scripture showing that any other dead person has been brought back to life with a glorified body like that of Jesus Christ and who did not die again?

If you say that one of them is His, that leaves you only in the second one--the unjust. Is this what you are telling me? You can't be involved in two resurrections OR!

That sounds like you are questioning my Salvation DHK. As a moderator you should know that warrants banning. Shall I report you or are you man enough to report yourself?

Repeating Scripture and assuming they prove a pre-trib "snatching away" of the Church proves nothing except that people have fallen for Darbyism!

Repeating yourself won't do any good to reconcile two passages of Scripture.
I gave you Scripture. You can't reconcile the two passages can you?
All you can do is mock and shout.

They certainly cannot be used to support the so-called pre-trib "snatching away" of the Church. Neither you nor anyone who calls themselves a dispensationalist can provide a single passage of Scripture that teaches a pre-trib "snatching away" of the Church.

BTW, the quote from the website is in bold and large fonts because that is the way it copies and pastes into the board, not because I deliberately put it that way. I just don't take the time to try and change everything back to smaller fonts.

I repeat my earlier remarks to Bro. Bosley!

And of course RLB, Mr DHK wants me to use the Moody Handbook to "eddicate" myself. Now I believe Moody was dispensational and have no idea whether the handbook is tainted or not. If I mention Baptist Confessions I am following the teaching of men rather than Scripture but then there is the good ole reliable Moody Handbook.

And I leave you with the following from an earlier post!

John 5:28, 29
28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Yes but the resurrections occur at the same time DHK, the HOUR in the which ALL shall HEAR his voice And shall come FORTH.

You can't slice and dice that in the typical manner of dispensational eisegesis, DHK!

 

[DHK]

Your response to my claiming the Bible as "My Link" speaks volumes about you DHK!

Why? You would never have learned about "covenants" unless some book or some person would have taught you. Perhaps you learned it from a "link." Don't be so arrogant!
Tell me what "covenant" did God make when he spoke to Moses in a burning bush? He didn't. But he will never do it again. He spoke to him during that time, according to Heb.1:1 in that dispensation.
Why do you keep quoting from Dr. Ice? and providing us with his link?
Why do you keep quoting from Baptist Confessions of Faith or at least referring to them?
I provide you with one source, and you are alarmed at it and won't read it.
That shows how closed-minded you are. Your remark is totally unwarranted and only reflects on your own character.

Are you denying that Jesus Christ is the First Resurrection? It appears so from your above response since Orthodox Christianity has long accepted that Scripture is Divinely inspired by God. The Apostle Paul tells us:

John 5:28-29 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
--There are two resurrections mentioned here: one to life and one to damnation. If Christ is the resurrection of life, then you are of the one to damnation. I don't believe that. So, no; His resurrection is in a class of its own.

1 Corinthians 15:3-6
3. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4. And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5. And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6. After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7. After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

Now can you present any Scripture showing that any other dead person has been brought back to life with a glorified body like that of Jesus Christ and who did not die again?

We are speaking of "Because Christ rose and lives, we also shall rise and live eternally. He is the foundation and cause of our resurrection. Paul spends much of the rest of the chapter speaking of the resurrection of the dead, not Christ's resurrection.

That sounds like you are questioning my Salvation DHK. As a moderator you should know that warrants banning. Shall I report you or are you man enough to report yourself?

As above I am showing you the fallacy of your argument, and how you change topics in mid air.

Repeating yourself won't do any good to reconcile two passages of Scripture.
I gave you Scripture. You can't reconcile the two passages can you?
All you can do is mock and shout.

1 Thes.4:17-20 and 2:Thes.1:6-10. These passages of Scripture you cannot reconcile. You won't even try. Until you do why should I even listen to? Don't you believe the Scriptures?

They certainly cannot be used to support the so-called pre-trib "snatching away" of the Church. Neither you nor anyone who calls themselves a dispensationalist can provide a single passage of Scripture that teaches a pre-trib "snatching away" of the Church.

Prove that they don't. I don't have to accept your word. Show from Scripture, the ones I gave you, that they are the same event or refrain from making false statements. Fair enough?

I repeat my earlier remarks to Bro. Bosley!

A contradiction from the statement you made at the beginning.
Take a good look at what you just said, and then take a good look in the mirror and ask yourself what a hypocrite is. You just referred us to the Baptist Confession of Faith, but if I refer you to Moody's Bible Handbook, you mock and scorn. What does that say about your character? I don't need the hypocrisy here. Read the link I gave you.

And I leave you with the following from an earlier post!

And what is that supposed to prove.
According to Rev.20:1-4, it proves your interpretation is wrong.

 

[OldRegular]

Learning about Covenants from the Bible!

Why? You would never have learned about "covenants" unless some book or some person would have taught you. Perhaps you learned it from a "link." Don't be so arrogant!

This is how you learn about Covenants. You read a book called the BIBLE!

Ge 6:18* But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons’ wives with thee.
Ge 9:9* And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you;
Ge 9:11* And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.
Ge 9:12* And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
Ge 9:13* I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
Ge 9:15* And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.
Ge 9:16* And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.
Ge 9:17* And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.
Ge 15:18* In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
Ge 17:2* And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
Ge 17:4* As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
Ge 17:7* And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
Ge 17:9* And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
Ge 17:10* This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
Ge 17:11* And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
Ge 17:13* He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
Ge 17:14* And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.
Ge 17:19* And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
Ge 17:21* But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.
Ge 21:27* And Abraham took sheep and oxen, and gave them unto Abimelech; and both of them made a covenant.
Ge 21:32* Thus they made a covenant at Beersheba: then Abimelech rose up, and Phichol the chief captain of his host, and they returned into the land of the Philistines.
e 26:28* And they said, We saw certainly that the LORD was with thee: and we said, Let there be now an oath betwixt us, even betwixt us and thee, and let us make a covenant with thee;
Ge 31:44* Now therefore come thou, let us make a covenant, I and thou; and let it be for a witness between me and thee.
Ex 2:24* And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob.
Ex 6:4* And I have also established my covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land of their pilgrimage, wherein they were strangers.
Ex 6:5* And I have also heard the groaning of the children of Israel, whom the Egyptians keep in bondage; and I have remembered my covenant.
Ex 19:5* Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Ex 23:32* Thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor with their gods.
Ex 24:7* And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient.
Ex 24:8* And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.
Ex 31:16* Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Ex 34:10* And he said, Behold, I make a covenant: before all thy people I will do marvels, such as have not been done in all the earth, nor in any nation: and all the people among which thou art shall see the work of the LORD: for it is a terrible thing that I will do with thee.
Ex 34:12* Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee:
Ex 34:15* Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice;
Ex 34:27* And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
Ex 34:28* And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
Le 2:13* And every oblation of thy meat offering shalt thou season with salt; neither shalt thou suffer the salt of the covenant of thy God to be lacking from thy meat offering: with all thine offerings thou shalt offer salt.
Le 24:8* Every sabbath he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, being taken from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant.
Le 26:9* For I will have respect unto you, and make you fruitful, and multiply you, and establish my covenant with you.
Le 26:15* And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:
Le 26:25* And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of my covenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy.
Le 26:42* Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.
Le 26:44* And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the LORD their God.
Le 26:45* But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the LORD.
Nu 10:33* And they departed from the mount of the LORD three days’ journey: and the ark of the covenant of the LORD went before them in the three days’ journey, to search out a resting place for them.
Nu 14:44* But they presumed to go up unto the hill top: nevertheless the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and Moses, departed not out of the camp.
Nu 18:19* All the heave offerings of the holy things, which the children of Israel offer unto the LORD, have I given thee, and thy sons and thy daughters with thee, by a statute for ever: it is a covenant of salt for ever before the LORD unto thee and to thy seed with thee.
Nu 25:12* Wherefore say, Behold, I give unto him my covenant of peace:
Nu 25:13* And he shall have it, and his seed after him, even the covenant of an everlasting priesthood; because he was zealous for his God, and made an atonement for the children of Israel.

 

[OldRegular]

Why? You would never have learned about "covenants" unless some book or some person would have taught you. Perhaps you learned it from a "link." Don't be so arrogant!

This is how you learn about Covenants. You read a book called the BIBLE!

De 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
De 4:23* Take heed unto yourselves, lest ye forget the covenant of the LORD your God, which he made with you, and make you a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, which the LORD thy God hath forbidden thee.
De 4:31* {For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;} he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.
De 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
De 5:3* The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
De 7:2* And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:
De 7:9* Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
De 7:12* Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:
De 8:18* But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.
De 9:9* When I was gone up into the mount to receive the tables of stone, even the tables of the covenant which the LORD made with you, then I abode in the mount forty days and forty nights, I neither did eat bread nor drink water:
De 9:11 And it came to pass at the end of forty days and forty nights, that the LORD gave me the two tables of stone, even the tables of the covenant.
De 9:15 So I turned and came down from the mount, and the mount burned with fire: and the two tables of the covenant were in my two hands.
De 10:8* At that time the LORD separated the tribe of Levi, to bear the ark of the covenant of the LORD, to stand before the LORD to minister unto him, and to bless in his name, unto this day.
De 17:2* If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant,
De 29:1* These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.
De 29:9 Keep therefore the words of this covenant, and do them, that ye may prosper in all that ye do.
De 29:12* That thou shouldest enter into covenant with the LORD thy God, and into his oath, which the LORD thy God maketh with thee this day:
De 29:14 Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath;
De 29:21* And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the covenant that are written in this book of the law:
De 29:25 Then men shall say, Because they have forsaken the covenant of the LORD God of their fathers, which he made with them when he brought them forth out of the land of Egypt:
De 31:9* And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and unto all the elders of Israel.
De 31:16* And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.
De 31:20 For when I shall have brought them into the land which I sware unto their fathers, that floweth with milk and honey; and they shall have eaten and filled themselves, and waxen fat; then will they turn unto other gods, and serve them, and provoke me, and break my covenant.
De 31:25* That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
De 31:26* Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
De 33:9* Who said unto his father and to his mother, I have not seen him; neither did he acknowledge his brethren, nor knew his own children: for they have observed thy word, and kept thy covenant.
Jos 3:3 And they commanded the people, saying, When ye see the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, and the priests the Levites bearing it, then ye shall remove from your place, and go after it.
Jos 3:6 And Joshua spake unto the priests, saying, Take up the ark of the covenant, and pass over before the people. And they took up the ark of the covenant, and went before the people.
Jos 3:8 And thou shalt command the priests that bear the ark of the covenant, saying, When ye are come to the brink of the water of Jordan, ye shall stand still in Jordan.
Jos 3:11 Behold, the ark of the covenant of the Lord of all the earth passeth over before you into Jordan.
Jos 3:14 And it came to pass, when the people removed from their tents, to pass over Jordan, and the priests bearing the ark of the covenant before the people;
Jos 3:17 And the priests that bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD stood firm on dry ground in the midst of Jordan, and all the Israelites passed over on dry ground, until all the people were passed clean over Jordan.
Jos 4:7 Then ye shall answer them, That the waters of Jordan were cut off before the ark of the covenant of the LORD; when it passed over Jordan, the waters of Jordan were cut off: and these stones shall be for a memorial unto the children of Israel for ever.
Jos 4:9 And Joshua set up twelve stones in the midst of Jordan, in the place where the feet of the priests which bare the ark of the covenant stood: and they are there unto this day.
Jos 4:18 And it came to pass, when the priests that bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD were come up out of the midst of Jordan, and the soles of the priests’ feet were lifted up unto the dry land, that the waters of Jordan returned unto their place, and flowed over all his banks, as they did before.
Jos 6:6 And Joshua the son of Nun called the priests, and said unto them, Take up the ark of the covenant, and let seven priests bear seven trumpets of rams’ horns before the ark of the LORD.
Jos 6:8 And it came to pass, when Joshua had spoken unto the people, that the seven priests bearing the seven trumpets of rams’ horns passed on before the LORD, and blew with the trumpets: and the ark of the covenant of the LORD followed them.
Jos 7:11 Israel hath sinned, and they have also transgressed my covenant which I commanded them: for they have even taken of the accursed thing, and have also stolen, and dissembled also, and they have put it even among their own stuff.
Jos 7:15 And it shall be, that he that is taken with the accursed thing shall be burnt with fire, he and all that he hath: because he hath transgressed the covenant of the LORD, and because he hath wrought folly in Israel.
Jos 8:33 And all Israel, and their elders, and officers, and their judges, stood on this side the ark and on that side before the priests the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, as well the stranger, as he that was born among them; half of them over against mount Gerizim, and half of them over against mount Ebal; as Moses the servant of the LORD had commanded before, that they should bless the people of Israel.
Jos 23:16 When ye have transgressed the covenant of the LORD your God, which he commanded you, and have gone and served other gods, and bowed yourselves to them; then shall the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and ye shall perish quickly from off the good land which he hath given unto you.
Jos 24:25 So Joshua made a covenant with the people that day, and set them a statute and an ordinance in Shechem.
Jud 2:1 And an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you.
Jud 2:20 And the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel; and he said, Because that this people hath transgressed my covenant which I commanded their fathers, and have not hearkened unto my voice;
Jud 20:27 And the children of Israel enquired of the LORD, (for the ark of the covenant of God was there in those days,
1Sa 4:3 And when the people were come into the camp, the elders of Israel said, Wherefore hath the LORD smitten us to day before the Philistines? Let us fetch the ark of the covenant of the LORD out of Shiloh unto us, that, when it cometh among us, it may save us out of the hand of our enemies.
1Sa 4:4 So the people sent to Shiloh, that they might bring from thence the ark of the covenant of the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth between the cherubims: and the two sons of Eli, Hophni and Phinehas, were there with the ark of the covenant of God.
1Sa 4:5 And when the ark of the covenant of the LORD came into the camp, all Israel shouted with a great shout, so that the earth rang again.

Need I go on? There are about 200 more where those came from.

Now how does one learn about dispensationalism? Not from the Bible but from John Nelson Darby and the Scofield Reference Bible.

 

[DHK]

This is how you learn about Covenants. You read a book called the BIBLE!

Need I go on? There are about 200 more where those came from.

Didn't learn a thing about covenant's. I only learned that you are good with a search engine and like to post verses in bright red which is hard on the eyes.
That is not how you teach a person about covenants. And I highly doubt it if that is how you learned "covenantal theology," if indeed you understand any.

 

[OldRegular]

Going back to the OP, that is page 1!

In God's own good time He gives us the promise of a New Covenant!

Jeremiah 31;31-34
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

And the ultimate sacrifice for the sins of God's chosen ones, Christ Jesus, tells us this:

Matthew 26:26-29, NASB
26. And while they were eating, Jesus took some bread, and after a blessing, He broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.”
27. And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you;
28. for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.
29. “But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.”

And again we read:

Hebrews 8:1-13
1. Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
2. A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
3. For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
4. For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
5. Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
6.But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9. Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11. And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13. In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 9:11-15, NASB
11. But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;
12. and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
13. For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled, sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh,
14. how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15. And for this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, in order that since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

The New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31 is instituted through the blood of Jesus Christ and the above Scripture cannot honestly be denied.

 

[Jkdbuck76]

14 pages of personal attacks, "you don't understand what dispensationalism/covenant theology is", ban ban ban, heresy, etc etc.

Debate the issues, please! We act more like wolves instead of sheep in here. Enough is enough already. Emerson once said: “Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.”

Ppl on this board seemingly cannot WAIT to play they "I'm being persecuted" card. GROW UP!!!

 

[OldRegular]

Didn't learn a thing about covenant's. I only learned that you are good with a search engine and like to post verses in bright red which is hard on the eyes.
That is not how you teach a person about covenants. And I highly doubt it if that is how you learned "covenantal theology," if indeed you understand any.

Every time I see that bold red I am reminded of the Blood of Jesus Christ which He shed for my sins and the sins of all God's Chosen Ones!:jesus::godisgood:

 

[DHK]

Read the link I gave you.
http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/dispensation.htm

Christ is the "firstfruits of the resurrection."
When he comes again, believers will be raised to meet him in the air (the rapture) according to 1Thes. 4:16-18.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
--We will be caught up together to meet the Lord in the air. The Lord at this time does not come to earth, not to the Mount of Olives (Zech.7:14--does not split the mount), does not defeat the enemies of Israel, does not save Israel, does not come in the glory of His Father with the Holy Angels (Mark 8:38)

Rather, when he does come again, over 1,000 years later it will be with vengeance:
2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
--A completely different description as you can see.
He comes with his angels this time.
In flaming fire taking vengeance on those that do not obey the gospel.
Meting out everlasting destruction to these unbelievers.

The two scenes are very much different. They are a thousand years apart--just like the two resurrections are a thousand years apart.

Try again to reconcile these two passages.
It is at least the third time I have asked you.

 

[OldRegular]

14 pages of personal attacks, "you don't understand what dispensationalism/covenant theology is", ban ban ban, heresy, etc etc

This is what you call personal attack!

John 5:28-29 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
--There are two resurrections mentioned here: one to life and one to damnation. If Christ is the resurrection of life, then you are of the one to damnation. I don't believe that. So, no; His resurrection is in a class of its own.

And thus your ignorance.
There are two resurrections that Jesus spoke of, and neither one of them is His.
If you say that one of them is His, that leaves you only in the second one--the unjust. Is this what you are telling me? You can't be involved in two resurrections OR!