The Dead Will Hear the Voice of the Son of God - John 5:25

[canadyjd]

I haves reconciled the words of Jesus in John 5 with His words in John 10.

Jesus told them they did not believe BECAUSE they were not His sheep. He did not say they weren’t His sheep because they didn’t believe.

John writes in repeated themes (not chronological). Each time he mentions the theme he further explains the theme.

In John 1 he says those that are the children of God are born not of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of (the will of) God.

In John 3 he elaborates on the themes of being “born” and “the will of God” when Jesus says you must be “born again” and then emphasizing the will of God Holy Spirit when a person is “born again”.

Again and again, John emphasize the will of God in bringing someone to salvation. By the time we get to John 10, Jesus very plainly stated no one can come to Him unless the Father draws Him.

He very plainly stated He calls His sheep BY NAME. He already knows them. That is a specific call to specific people. AFTER He calls, they follow Him.

And just to make it perfectly clear, Jesus tells them they do not believe BECAUSE they are not His sheep.

My reading comprehension is just fine. I just believe the words of scripture in the context they were written WITHOUT bias.

If some would spend more time attempting to understand scripture in context instead attempting to disprove reformed beliefs, their reading comprehension would improve dramatically.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

Yes, SavedByGrace typically quite quick at calling fellow believers heretics.
In this case however I think you are totally wrong.

I think he's saying that if you like chocolate you must be damned.

Rob

I do remember being wrong once. It’s been so long ago I can’t remember what it was about

I am always willing to be convinced from scripture that I’m wrong.

I haven’t seen a compelling argument yet to convince me I’m wrong about the gospel of John.

peace to you

 

[SavedByGrace]

I do remember being wrong once. It’s been so long ago I can’t remember what it was about

I am always willing to be convinced from scripture that I’m wrong.

I haven’t seen a compelling argument yet to convince me I’m wrong about the gospel of John.

peace to you

The OP proves your theology is WRONG but you will not accept it

 

[canadyjd]

The OP proves your theology is WRONG but you will not accept it

Just because you say it, doesn’t make it true.

I’ve focused on scripture, you have focused on insults.

peace to you

 

[Deacon]

I do remember being wrong once. It’s been so long ago I can’t remember what it was about

So I presume then that you're unmarried...

Rob

 

[canadyjd]

So I presume then that you're unmarried...

Rob

Lol. No, I’m the man off of the house. Every day when I come in from work, I put my foot down…. In front of the sink so I can do the dishes

peace to you

 

[Brightfame52]

The Dead Will Hear the Voice of the Son of God - John 5:25

These words are spoken by Jesus Christ, to the Jews who wanted to stone Him to death, for, not only working on the Sabbath Day; but, for also calling the Father His OWN, in a very Unique and Personal way.

The passage can be seen, especially from verse 16, where we read of the Jews being enraged by Jesus’ actions and words, and Jesus’ conversation with them.

There is no indication in this chapter, that any of these Jews ever believed on Jesus as The Messiah, and Saviour.

The words in verse 24 and 25, are also directly addressed to these wicked Jews:

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live”

It is very clear to those who are interested in what the Bible ACTUALLY teaches, that here, Jesus is saying that even these Jews, who wanted to murder Him, had the ABILITY to HEAR the Gospel Message for their salvation! This is AGAINST the FANCIFUL THEORY of the so called “Reformed”, who say that God has only made it possible for the “elect”, to HEAR the Gospel! Jesus Himself calls out their UNBIBLICAL NONSENSE!

Note, that even though ALL the spiritual dead with indeed be able to HEAR, it is ONLY those from these who actually HEAR, as in OBEY and ACCEPT what Jesus is saying, who will be saved!

Jesus goes on to tell these same Jews:

“But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe. You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life” (38-40)

Some important points made here by Jesus. Firstly, it is clear that those who Jesus is speaking to, these Jews, were in no way “saved”, as “His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe”. Secondly, these same Jews, Jesus says, were searching the Scriptures to find eternal life, so they were SEEKERS. Thirdly, they were SEEING in the wrong place! Because the very Scriptures that these were SEARCHING for eternal life, Speak of Jesus Christ. Fourthly, these Jews were UNWILLING to go to Jesus Christ, so that they could also have eternal life. The Greek here cannot be taken to mean, “they could not” come to Jesus, because God had not ENABLED them to, as some would distort!

In fact, in verse 34, Jesus tells these same Jews, “Yet I do not receive testimony from man, but I say these things that you may be saved”. Jesus clearly WISHED that they would get saved, as He was speaking to them for this very purpose.

It is GROSS ERROR for anyone to teach, that only the “elect” are ABLE to hear the Gospel for their salvation, and the rest are spiritually damned. Jesus Himself destroys this HERSEY!

Its the elect in Jn 5:25 who will hear His voice and live, the Sheep Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Many of the other Sheep Jesus had at this time, were yet still dead in sin, but they shall hear His voice when its time for them to follow Him.

 

[tyndale1946]

Brethren there are two events here... Because there are two different times... There are two different hours... So lets look

John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

First of all this is talking about regeneration, when it is the voice of God that regenerates a man... The hour comes in every child of God when they are regenerated... A favorite ditty of mine... Is From The Cradle To The Grave, Christ Will Save... If we believe scripture ALL his Father gave him WILL BE SAVED and none will be lost... Before we were regenerated we were the children of wrath even as others... We were regenerated or as scriptures says quickened... I believe in the WILL of God for Salvation, not the will of man.

Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

I hear some now wait a minute, it says we are judged... Christ took our judgement for us and we are eternally saved in him, so we belong to him, so we are not off the hook... He owns us, so our sins in Adam that separated us from God are paid in full... He took the judgement we deserved on the cross... Some say well if I believe the way you do, I would sin up up to eyeballs, I'm Heaven bound anyway, but you forget one thing, Christ can put you through a living Hell till you get there... Best to follow the Lord, even if you suffer and die for him.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

There are two resurrection taught in scripture but if wasn't for the one, there would be no place for the other.

1 Corinthians 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

Brother Glen

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Can you not read?

Jesus tells them in chapter 5 that He wanted them to get saved, but they rejected Him and salvation!

No amount of TWISTING of the Bible can get around this FACT!

Oh wow, can you not express yourself with some degree of decorum & class? Honestly what are you attempting to promote here? Grow up and address people with a calm and deliberate manner, otherwise leave the forum.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

A person who teaches heresy is a heretic.
Heresy is generally considered to be a grave distortion or a heinous twisting of biblical truth.

Not every disagreement rises to the level of heresy.
Disagreements that do not concern the basic fundamentals of the faith do not rise to the level of heresy.

Using the term in an opening post is a flame.

Rob

Nailed it

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Brethren there are two events here... Because there are two different times... There are two different hours... So lets look

John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

First of all this is talking about regeneration, when it is the voice of God that regenerates a man... The hour comes in every child of God when they are regenerated... A favorite ditty of mine... Is From The Cradle To The Grave, Christ Will Save... If we believe scripture ALL his Father gave him WILL BE SAVED and none will be lost... Before we were regenerated we were the children of wrath even as others... We were regenerated or as scriptures says quickened... I believe in the WILL of God for Salvation, not the will of man.

Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

I hear some now wait a minute, it says we are judged... Christ took our judgement for us and we are eternally saved in him, so we belong to him, so we are not off the hook... He owns us, so our sins in Adam that separated us from God are paid in full... He took the judgement we deserved on the cross... Some say well if I believe the way you do, I would sin up up to eyeballs, I'm Heaven bound anyway, but you forget one thing, Christ can put you through a living Hell till you get there... Best to follow the Lord, even if you suffer and die for him.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

There are two resurrection taught in scripture but if wasn't for the one, there would be no place for the other.

1 Corinthians 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

Brother Glen

And what happens to us sinners, us carnal Christian's?

 

[tyndale1946]

And what happens to us sinners, us carnal Christian's?

I suggest you read Romans 7... Us Christians and all humanity will be carnal till the day they die but Romans 7 applies only to the child of Grace... Hope that answers your question... Brother Glen

Btw... Its a warfare!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I suggest you read Romans 7... Us Christians and all humanity will be carnal till the day they die but Romans 7 applies only to the child of Grace... Hope that answers your question... Brother Glen

Btw... Its a warfare!

This guy does nothing but confuse me. Has he never experienced a satisfying sinful act… I mean he is a Pharisee right! He willingly had people kill correct. So that alone shows me he can’t come to terms, he loves the myriad laws his fellow Jews and willing to kill fellow Jews for crossing fictions laws. Nonsense! I don’t think he gets any satisfaction from sin… this whole war started with original sin right. Laws don’t work so God has to interfere in the lives of his people so he puts them on the right track. OK, I’m a sinner admittedly and sometimes enjoy it and prefer it.