The Definition and Theology of Genocide

[Foxmeister]

There was a discussion on another thread that is now closed where @Conan appeared to be accusing Israel of genocide. He included a video below made by George Galloway. This man once served in England's parliament, calls himself a socialist, and serves as the leader of The Workers Party of Britain. In 1994, Galloway made a trip to Iraq where he was quoted saying to Saddam Hussein, "Sir, I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability. And I want you to know that we are with you until victory, until victory, until Jerusalem."
Galloway is antisemitic.

 

[John of Japan]

Fulfilling what Jesus taught in the parable does not require physically meeting them. We can speak up for them - Arabs in general - online. We can share information that is not easily found in mainstream sources. Our situations are different. My inability to meet and help personally those in Gaza is not "exactly" the same as your refusal to recognize the stated determination of Israel to depopulate the entire Palestine area. If needed, I can give you official proof of this.

So you deny the actual meaning of the Greek word for "neighbor," which is πλησίον. You choose to make up your own meaning for the word. This is in line with what you wrote to me once years ago: "John, you use the Greek too much," but it is terrible hermeneutics.

And you think "speaking up" for the oppressed equals actual physical help. This is no surprise. Your hyper-preterism rejects literal interpretation.

More lexical help (which you will probably reject):

Louw-Nida: "a position quite close to another position, with the possible implication of being contiguous - 'quite near, nearby.'"

The venerable Thayers: "to be near one (one's neighbor), i. e. in a passive sense, worthy to be regarded as a friend and companion, Luke 10:29; actively, to perform the offices of a friend and companion, Luke 10:36."

Abbot-Smith: "near, close by, neighbouring."

The authoritative BAGD: "the neighbor, the one who is near or close by."

I could give more, but this is sufficient to prove that you are twisting Scripture.

 

[asterisktom]

So you deny the actual meaning of the Greek word for "neighbor," which is πλησίον. You choose to make up your own meaning for the word. This is in line with what you wrote to me once years ago: "John, you use the Greek too much," but it is terrible hermeneutics.

I remember saying this. And I stand by what I wrote - in context. I am not surprised that you missed the context. You missed it many years ago and you still miss it.

The Greek is very important. I do study it still. When I am reading the NT or OT on my phone I have the Greek below it, Nestles and Brenton;s LXX, respectively. I have now been traveling the world for about ten years so I no longer have all the physical books (6 or 7 bookshelves), including Greek ones, but I kept up with my Greek ever since my Greek classes at BJU. I had quite a variety, not all equally trustworthy to be sure, Liddell-Scott, Gesenius, Vines, Thayer, Smith. Also many commentaries that I have seen you quote with respect.

When I said you used the Greek too much I meant that the mere mechanics of grammar cannot do the work of the Holy Spirit in enlightenment of the Word, 1 Cor. 2:6-14. Surely, you recognize this. If so, then why do you not credit my words with that meaning? But, no, you tweezer out those few words and try to make me seem like some brainless Bible thumper. Well, that's on you.

BTW, a good example of the atomistic approach to Scripture is that of Georg Winer. One of my Greek professors said that he practically had the Greek NT memorized (doubtful) and yet he did not believe in the Trinity. He did this on grammar-linguistic grounds.

More needs to be written, but my nasi lemak is getting cold.

 

[Conan]

There was a discussion on another thread that is now closed where @Conan appeared to be accusing Israel of genocide. He included a video below made by George Galloway. This man once served in England's parliament, calls himself a socialist, and serves as the leader of The Workers Party of Britain. In 1994, Galloway made a trip to Iraq where he was quoted saying to Saddam Hussein, "Sir, I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability. And I want you to know that we are with you until victory, until victory, until Jerusalem."
Galloway is antisemitic.

George Galloway is not an antisemite. That is false witness. You may be the antisemite, since you approved of Netanyahu's giving of the Hannibal order and the murder of good Jews by Apache helicopters and Heavy Tanks. That you do not know about it does not excuse you of the crimes anymore.

 

[Conan]

I did some research and found the following.

Zionism is a nationalist movement that supports the right of the Jewish people to self-determination and the establishment of a Jewish homeland in their historic land, centered around Jerusalem. Theodor Herzl, an Austrian-Jewish journalist, formalized political Zionism in 1897 by organizing the First Zionist Congress in response to severe European anti-Jewish violence. The movement achieved its primary goal in May 1948 with the declaration of the modern State of Israel, following the United Nations partition plan of 1947.

Following Israel's military victory, the proposed independent Arab state was never realized. The territories that had been designated for a Palestinian state were split: Israel expanded its borders, Egypt took administrative control over the Gaza Strip, and Jordan annexed the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

In September 2005, Israel unilaterally dismantled its settlements and completely withdrew its military forces from the interior of the Gaza Strip, turning over internal administration to the Palestinian Authority.

In June 2007, Hamas seized de facto internal control of Gaza through elections in 2006, ousting the Fatah-led PA. Despite Hamas running internal affairs, Israel and Egypt have maintained a strict land, air, and sea blockade over Gaza since 2007, meaning external borders and airspace remained under outside control. There have been no further elections in Gaza since then. Hamas made itself a de facto dictatorship.

Prior to the outbreak of the war in 2023, Hamas operated a highly authoritarian governance system. Palestinians in Gaza have no freedom of speech, a free press, and the right to peaceful protest, as Hamas security forces routinely cracks down on internal opposition.

In 1998, Hamas' charter stated it's goal was to obliterate the Jews. In 2017, they changed the charter stating they were fighting against Zionism.

The first country to accuse Israel of committing genocide was South Africa in 2023. That was followed by other countries doing the same. Those are Spain, Turkey, Mexico, Colombia, Libya, Nicaragua, Chile, Bolivia, Maldives, Cuba, Brazil and more.

The UN Independent International Commission concluded in 2025, Israel was committing genocide and targeting Palestinian children.

Here's my point. Each time now that Hamas commits an attack on Israel and kills Jews as it did on October 7 and Israel retaliates against Hamas, it will be Israel who is accused of genocide not Hamas. This is the result of Hamas using the Palestinians as human shields. Hamas is being used by Satan against Israel. And as prophesized, the world is turning against Israel.

To say Israel is committing genocide by retaliating against Hamas attacks is saying the US committed genocide dropping two atomic bombs on Japan, and bombing German cities during WWII.

You are a war criminal. The Palestinians are Arabs and therefore Semites. You are the one that is antisemitic for approving of the killing of Palestinian children, women and unarmed men. You are supposed to fight armed enemy soldiers, not women and children. Thats a war crime.
You are suppose to bomb enemy formations. Not civilians. That is war crimes. The bombing of any cites that have no military strategic value should not be bombed. The two Japanese cities had no military value. They were dropped on civilians. The German cities may have clogged roads with fleeing civilians, but that is no excuse. Militaries should fight other armies. Not unarmed civilian populations. You are a Christian. Know the difference.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

George Galloway is not an antisemite.

Possibly not, but the man is definitely a nutcase.

 

[Foxmeister]

You are a war criminal.

That's a ridiculous accusation of you to make and makes you look foolish.

You are the one that is antisemitic for approving of the killing of Palestinian children, women and unarmed men.

I never said I approved of killing anyone. However if you're going to call anyone a war criminal for killing children, women, and unarmed men, then why aren't you calling Hamas war criminals? You seem to be giving them a pass, which makes you a hypocrite. The truth is war and murders are horrific and I would much rather prefer neither to occur. I've been to war four times, and believe me, I would have preferred they had never started.
I would bet that anyone here who is a war veteran would say the same.

You are suppose to bomb enemy formations. Not civilians. That is war crimes. The bombing of any cites that have no military strategic value should not be bombed. The two Japanese cities had no military value. They were dropped on civilians. The German cities may have clogged roads with fleeing civilians, but that is no excuse. Militaries should fight other armies. Not unarmed civilian populations.

I agree, wars should be fought on battlefields, but unfortunately it's not like that. But since you brought it up, tell me why Hamas and Hezbollah deliberately slaughter women, children, and unarmed men as they did on October 7? Why do you give them a pass on that and only accuse the Israelis of being war criminals?

You post here on a Christian forum, so I assume you're a Christian. Yet, you give Hamas a pass on the evil things they do and you call me a war criminal. How do you think that makes you appear to others? Think about it.

 

[Conan]

That's a ridiculous accusation of you to make and makes you look foolish.


I never said I approved of killing anyone. However if you're going to call anyone a war criminal for killing children, women, and unarmed men, then why aren't you calling Hamas war criminals? You seem to be giving them a pass, which makes you a hypocrite. The truth is war and murders are horrific and I would much rather prefer neither to occur. I've been to war four times, and believe me, I would have preferred they had never started.
I would bet that anyone here who is a war veteran would say the same.


I agree, wars should be fought on battlefields, but unfortunately it's not like that. But since you brought it up, tell me why Hamas and Hezbollah deliberately slaughter women, children, and unarmed men as they did on October 7? Why do you give them a pass on that and only accuse the Israelis of being war criminals?

You post here on a Christian forum, so I assume you're a Christian. Yet, you give Hamas a pass on the evil things they do and you call me a war criminal. How do you think that makes you appear to others? Think about it.

I know. And you simply do not know what is going on. But I felt like I had to try anyway. The Israelis have surrounded and hemmed in the Palestinians since day one . On the formation of Israel Arabs were taken at gunpoint and removed from their homes. Some fled to Gaza. In 68' Israel captured Gaza. At some point it became the Worlds largest outdoor Prison Camp. They control everything that went in or out of Gaza, a city of 2 million. The West Bank the Israelis did the same cutting the Palestinians off from things. They are not the good Jews who are doing this to Palestinians. They by race are kin (Abraham) and protest every chance they get over the brutal treatment of their fellow Arabs.

You know that every single Washington Politician is a liar. You are a Christian and saved but we have still been brainwashed a certain way. We are not the white hats anymore. We are, and have been commiting Genocide against the Palestinians. I wish you knew how they are treated . We , or the Zionist treat them horribly, and when they finally fight back we say, see, monsters. They are not monsters but human beings. I am obviously going against what we are supposed to think. But if you hear somewhere first maybe later on you will come across more evidence or more truth. I know I am going against the narrative but I once believed exactly like everyone else here. But overtime I , or God in my opinion has showed me evidence of other things . I don't want to argue with Christians about this stuff. I am very uncomfortable about it. On one hand I could forget about it. But that does not sound right either. Sorry to ramble.

I know you and everyone here are good people. No one would support Genocide if they know about it.

 

[Foxmeister]

I know.

What is it you know?

And you simply do not know what is going on.

There you go assuming I have no idea what's going on there. Perhaps I know more than you do about what's going on there.

You are a Christian and saved but when have still been brainwashed a certain way.

There you go again making an assumption because you believe I'm wrong and you're right. I wish there was peace in the Middle East. I really do. However, you think I've been brainwashed. You believe Gaza is a concentration camp because they're hemmed in there. Egypt won't allow them to come across their border, nor Israel unless they are granted a card to do so. Sounds like a visa doesn't it? We don't allow foreigners into our country unless they have a visa issued from our government. Anyone who comes across without one entered illegally. Those who are here with an expired visa are staying here illegally. If you don't have a problem with that, then why do you have a problem with Israel doing the same?

Do you have any idea why Israel vets Palestinians before allowing them to leave Gaza to enter Israel? Think about it.

I wish you knew how they are treated .

Do you have any idea how Hamas treats the Palestinians? Perhaps you should research that.

No one would support Genocide if they know about it.

Do you know that Hamas not only wants to destroy Israel, but kill all the Jews as well?

I'll leave you with one something to think about. There used to be free and open elections in Gaza and the West Bank when the Palestinian Authority existed. Those elections stopped once Hamas members were elected in 2006. There hasn't been another election since. Why? You'll find the answer if you research how Hamas treats the Palestinians.

 

[Conan]

What is it you know?


There you go assuming I have no idea what's going on there. Perhaps I know more than you do about what's going on there.

Sorry. I meant to say in my opinion only.

There you go again making an assumption because you believe I'm wrong and you're right. I wish there was peace in the Middle East. I really do. However, you think I've been brainwashed. You believe Gaza is a concentration camp because they're hemmed in there. Egypt won't allow them to come across their border, nor Israel unless they are granted a card to do so. Sounds like a visa doesn't it? We don't allow foreigners into our country unless they have a visa issued from our government. Anyone who comes across without one entered illegally. Those who are here with an expired visa are staying here illegally. If you don't have a problem with that, then why do you have a problem with Israel doing the same?

Do you have any idea why Israel vets Palestinians before allowing them to leave Gaza to enter Israel? Think about it.

Do you have any idea how Hamas treats the Palestinians? Perhaps you should research that.


Do you know that Hamas not only wants to destroy Israel, but kill all the Jews as well?

I'll leave you with one something to think about. There used to be free and open elections in Gaza and the West Bank when the Palestinian Authority existed. Those elections stopped once Hamas members were elected in 2006. There hasn't been another election since. Why? You'll find the answer if you research how Hamas treats the Palestinians.

Hamas was created as a tool by Netananyahu to divide the Palestinians. He used them as a tool Oct 7th. He doesn't want to wipe them out yet , they are too useful to him.

I wish I had saved the Charlie Kirk video for you .

 

[Conan]

@Foxmeister.

 

[Conan]

 

[Foxmeister]

@Foxmeister.

You continue to make my point that you continue to put all the blame on Israel and none on Hamas. I have not once seen you hold Hamas accountable for what they have done. You ignore it and focus only on Israel. You ignore the fact that Hamas kills innocent Israelis, but continue to attack Israel for attacking innocent Palestinians. You also refuse to blame Hamas for how it treats the Palestinians. There's plenty of blame to go around, but you only hold Israel accountable.

I'm going to say this one more time. I would rather see peace there than this fighting. I hold both sides accountable for their actions. Why don't you?

 

[Conan]

You continue to make my point that you continue to put all the blame on Israel and none on Hamas. I have not once seen you hold Hamas accountable for what they have done. You ignore it and focus only on Israel. You ignore the fact that Hamas kills innocent Israelis, but continue to attack Israel for attacking innocent Palestinians. You also refuse to blame Hamas for how it treats the Palestinians. There's plenty of blame to go around, but you only hold Israel accountable.

I'm going to say this one more time. I would rather see peace there than this fighting. I hold both sides accountable for their actions. Why don't you?

Your point rests on you don't know there is a genocide going on since the modern state of Israel has been in existence. You draw a blank on that.

I have never said that I condoned their actions.

But what should the Palestinians do? I admit, I do not know what they should do. The Zionist will never have peace with them.

 

[Foxmeister]

Your point rests on you don't know there is a genocide going on since the modern state of Israel has been in existence. You draw a blank on that.

I have never said that I condoned their actions.

But what should the Palestinians do? I admit, I do not know what they should do. The Zionist will never have peace with them.

Again you put all the blame on Israel and accuse them of committing genocide, while giving Hamas a pass. If anyone is brainwashed, it's you. The Palestinians suffer because of Hamas' actions. It is always Hamas who strikes first. October 7 is a perfect example of that. You post a video made by someone who claims Netanyahu conspired with Hamas to commit that attack. Yet that person had nothing to back that up, and just because some other yahoo makes a YouTube video saying the same thing, you think then it has to be true.

There are plenty of people in Congress who oppose US involvement in Israel. If what Netanyahu did conspire with Hamas, don't you think they'd be yelling their heads off about it? They aren't because there is no evidence the allegation is true.

This is from the Hamas Covenant 1988, "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."

Here is a complete interpretation of the charter/covenant. You'll see it is their desire to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews. It's a shame you don't care that Hamas wants to kill all the Jews. I don't know why you look at Israel being the evil ones and Hamas as the good guys.

 

[Conan]

Again you put all the blame on Israel and accuse them of committing genocide, while giving Hamas a pass. If anyone is brainwashed, it's you. The Palestinians suffer because of Hamas' actions. It is always Hamas who strikes first. October 7 is a perfect example of that. You post a video made by someone who claims Netanyahu conspired with Hamas to commit that attack. Yet that person had nothing to back that up, and just because some other yahoo makes a YouTube video saying the same thing, you think then it has to be true.

There are plenty of people in Congress who oppose US involvement in Israel. If what Netanyahu did conspire with Hamas, don't you think they'd be yelling their heads off about it? They aren't because there is no evidence the allegation is true.

This is from the Hamas Covenant 1988, "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."

Here is a complete interpretation of the charter/covenant. You'll see it is their desire to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews. It's a shame you don't care that Hamas wants to kill all the Jews. I don't know why you look at Israel being the evil ones and Hamas as the good guys.

1988? Their charter has been changed and they took that language out. And you have refused the evidence on another thread. Why are they fighting. They did not wipe out Jews in the early 1900's. They did not wipe out Jews in the 1800's so on and so forth. They got along with the Jews that lived there. Majority Muslims, Christians and Jews. Why weren't the Jews wiped out then? Why are they fighting? They did not want to wipe them out in the 1800's, in the land of a Muslim Majority, where every Muslim Conquer swept through the land. Any historian will tell you Muslims treated Jews better than the Crusaders. After all that peace with Jews, what was the problem? That is what you need to learn, in my opinion.

 

[Foxmeister]

1988? Their charter has been changed and they took that language out. And you have refused the evidence on another thread. Why are they fighting. They did not wipe out Jews in the early 1900's. They did not wipe out Jews in the 1800's so on and so forth. They got along with the Jews that lived there. Majority Muslims, Christians and Jews. Why weren't the Jews wiped out then? Why are they fighting? They did not want to wipe them out in the 1800's, in the land of a Muslim Majority, where every Muslim Conquer swept through the land. Any historian will tell you Muslims treated Jews better than the Crusaders. After all that peace with Jews, what was the problem? That is what you need to learn, in my opinion.

They changed it to destroying Zionism. What's the difference? October 7 demonstrates nothing really changed. Need I remind you again that nobody was ever called a Palestinian until the British Mandate in 1920? You are still trying to make the Israelis the evil ones while giving Hamas a pass.

I'm going to be blunt. You must hate Jews. The reason I say that is the way you support Hamas. You don't hold them accountable at all for the evil they are doing. You ignore it. I'll say this one more time. I'd would love to see there be peace there, but it's not going to happen. You would realize that if you spent more time studying the Bible rather watching YouTube videos that fill you with more hate against the Jews. If you respond you don't hate the Jews, then prove it.

 

[Conan]

They changed it to destroying Zionism. What's the difference? October 7 demonstrates nothing really changed.

Zionism is stealing the Palestinians land and iradicating them from the Land. They are stealing every single bit of land. Just like the Germans put Jews in Ghettos so did the Israelis to the Palestinians. The Israelis are even going to steal the West Bank and most Americans saw them stealing the Gaza strip. Americas youth have seen the Genocide. Under Joe Biden they bombed every single apartment building in Gaza. Every Citizen had to run to a safe place ahead of the jets. Then they had to run again as 2000# bombs dropped on their buildings. Every single citizen was in danger of exposure as even the water . This was done instead of going after the Al Qussam brigades. They went after them later after the civilians. How many Palestinians were killed? Even I haven't been able to keep up with real figures. The Israelis blocked United Nations food from coming in. Hired godless Al Quida and issis people to come in and exploit the Palestinians. I followed all every day. And you have never even heard of such things. Americas youth has. The Democrats lost a lot of votes because people saw the Palestinians being starved to death. This time around they are losing Republican youth.

 

[Foxmeister]

Zionism is stealing the Palestinians land and iradicating them from the Land. They are stealing every single bit of land. Just like the Germans put Jews in Ghettos so did the Israelis to the Palestinians. The Israelis are even going to steal the West Bank and most Americans saw them stealing the Gaza strip. Americas youth have seen the Genocide. Under Joe Biden they bombed every single apartment building in Gaza. Every Citizen had to run to a safe place ahead of the jets. Then they had to run again as 2000# bombs dropped on their buildings. Every single citizen was in danger of exposure as even the water . This was done instead of going after the Al Qussam brigades. They went after them later after the civilians. How many Palestinians were killed? Even I haven't been able to keep up with real figures. The Israelis blocked United Nations food from coming in. Hired godless Al Quida and issis people to come in and exploit the Palestinians. I followed all every day. And you have never even heard of such things. Americas youth has. The Democrats lost a lot of votes because people saw the Palestinians being starved to death. This time around they are losing Republican youth.

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also." Matthew 38-39.

What did Jesus mean by this?

 

[Conan]

Overlook the insult. Do not retaliate.