The Democrats on Health Care

[Terry_Herrington]

Then you may make your checks payable to the U.S. Treasury. No one will stop you.

I'm sure we will both continue to pay.

Most of the Christians I know have given hundreds of dollars to aid Katrina victims, not counting furnishing homes, apartments, utilities, food and employment assistance. We know the money was well spent because we controlled how it was spent and we saw the result.

I think this is wonderful; I applaud everyone that gave! :thumbs:

Being forced to give it to the government to spend would be ineffective as well as counterproductive. The government cannot spend my money as well as I can.

I believe that in many cases, such as Katrina, the government is better suited to meet the needs. The problem is that the government has not done enough!

Why would I voluntarily give them a cent to do things I can do directly and more effectively. Yet you advocate that the government just take it and spend it any way they see fit.

It's called taxes and it is part of living in the United States.

Strange...and inconsistent. Your distrust of the government has been amply demonstrated many times over right here at BB.

You find it strange that someone has differing views based on specific cases rather than someone who parrots the party line, as you do for the Republicans.

I don't enjoy paying taxes, but I understand that it is necessary. Sometimes this tax money is spent on programs I believe in, such as aid for Katrina victims, or aid for the poor. Sometimes it is not spent well, such as bridges to nowhere or tax breaks for the wealthy.

 

[carpro]

The point is, Terry, that I believe we pay more than enough in taxes right now yet your buddies in Congress will , as soon as they are able, hit us with the largest tax increase in history.

If you will contribute whatever amount you would like to see wasted, maybe some of us can use our money constructively instead of it disappearing in the black hole of government waste like yours does.

Deal? raying:

 

[Terry_Herrington]

The point is, Terry, that I believe we pay more than enough in taxes right now yet your buddies in Congress will , as soon as they are able, hit us with the largest tax increase in history.

I understand your concern. I'm not as comfortable with it as you might think.

If you will contribute whatever amount you would like to see wasted, maybe some of us can use our money constructively instead of it disappearing in the black hole of government waste like yours does.

Deal? raying:

I just did my taxes, and yes, I will be making a contribution this year. :laugh:

 

[JGrubbs]

We should gladly pay most of these dollars, especially the ones for Katrina relief, aid to farmers, and aid to dairy producers. I think it's the right thing to do!

The problem is that neither Congress or the President has the Constitutional authority to spend the American taxpayer's money on these things! I would like to see them do away with income tax withholding and instead require the I.R.S. to send a monthly check to all the taxpayers for the ammount they are taking, I wonder how long it would take for the voters to be come outraged enough to put a stop to all the excesive taxation and wastefull spending.

"A government which robs Peter to pay Paul, can always count on the support of Paul."

—George Bernard Shaw​

"A government big enough to supply you with everything you need is a government big enough to take away everything that you have.... The course of history shows that as the government grows, liberty decreases."

—Thomas Jefferson

"Public servants say, always with the best of intentions, "What greater service we could render if only we had a little more money and a little more power." But the truth is that outside of its legitimate function, government does nothing as well or as economically as the private sector."
—Ronald Reagan​

It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from the government."
—Thomas Paine​

 

[bapmom]

I agree with you that it's not the government's job to provide health insurance, and I also agree with you that the federal government shouldn't be involved in the schools either.

However, we need to stop giving Congress and the President a blank check when it comes to spending. Here is some of the waste from the current “emergency” war spending bill:

$14 billion for Hurricane Katrina aid
$4 billion for “emergency farm relief”
$50 million for the Democratic convention in Denver
$50 million for the Republican convention in St. Paul, Minn.
$13 million for “ewe replacement and retention”
$24 million for sugar beets growers
$95 million for dairy producers
$3.5 million for the Capitol’s guided–tour program
$20 million for insect infestation control in Nevada

The voters need to start getting outraged and demanding that our "leaders" stop hiding all this "pork spending" in these bills. This isn't the first time they have wasted billions on things that have nothing to do with the bill that is being passed by Congress and signed into law by the President!

I agree! You're right!

 

[bapmom]

So the government should stop supporting education? Do you really believe that?

Wow....
Regards,
BiR

yes, I really believe the federal gov't should get out of education. They have no business there, and they've done nothing but mess it all up.

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

yes, I really believe the federal gov't should get out of education. They have no business there, and they've done nothing but mess it all up.

So, who is going to fund our educational system?

 

[JGrubbs]

The same people that funded it for the 200+ years before President Carter signed the Department of Education Organization Act into law on October 17, 1979, creating the United States Department of Education.

I believe the United States Department of Education should be abolished, and the States should fund and control their own schools. I support the unimpeded right of parents to provide for the education of their children in the manner they deem best, including home, private or religious, and I oppose all legislation from any level of government that would interfere with or restrict that liberty.

 

[Dragoon68]

The same people that funded it for the 200+ years before President Carter signed the Department of Education Organization Act into law on October 17, 1979, creating the United States Department of Education.

I believe the United States Department of Education should be abolished, and the States should fund and control their own schools. I support the unimpeded right of parents to provide for the education of their children in the manner they deem best, including home, private or religious, and I oppose all legislation from any level of government that would interfere with or restrict that liberty.

Bull's eye!

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

The same people that funded it for the 200+ years before President Carter signed the Department of Education Organization Act into law on October 17, 1979, creating the United States Department of Education.

I believe the United States Department of Education should be abolished, and the States should fund and control their own schools. I support the unimpeded right of parents to provide for the education of their children in the manner they deem best, including home, private or religious, and I oppose all legislation from any level of government that would interfere with or restrict that liberty.

That being said, I would anticipate that you would be one of the first to volunteer to pay the higher taxes it would take to fund this.

Regards,
BiR

 

[Bro. James Reed]

I don't know about others, but when Katrina evacuees started moving here in droves, my family provided food and clothing and even some money to help a particular family whose home was destroyed.

Now, on top of that, the government will take more of my money away for that purpose. When is my fair share enough?

 

[JGrubbs]

That being said, I would anticipate that you would be one of the first to volunteer to pay the higher taxes it would take to fund this.

Regards,
BiR

I homeschool my children, and shouldn't have to pay anything for the education, or lack there of in regards to the governement schools, of other families children.

I also support abolishing the I.R.S. and replacing the current tax code with a Constitutional one, decreasing the size and spending of the federal government and reducing the overall tax burden of all taxpayers nationwide.

 

[Alcott]

... when Katrina evacuees started moving here in droves, my family provided food and clothing and even some money to help a particular family ...
Now, on top of that, the government will take more of my money away for that purpose. When is my fair share enough?

Don't you know that as long you pay taxes and some of that tax money goes to help the poor and disavantaged, that that will put you at the right hand of Christ at the judgment? Feed them clothe them, house them,... and you will be on His right. And leftists say we are not a Christian nation and our laws should not be for the purpose of the gospel! Ain't that as ironic as a bad winter making for a fatter coyote?

 

[StraightAndNarrow]

Children do have a general tendency to get bigger and taller.

They have a much greater tendency to do that in a lot of other countries than America. For goodness sake we're below CUBA on infant mortality. Why?



Rankings > Infant mortality rate (All Ascending)

Rank Country Value Unit
1. Singapore 2.28 deaths/1,000 live births
2. Sweden 2.77 deaths/1,000 live births
3. Hong Kong 2.97 deaths/1,000 live births
4. Japan 3.28 deaths/1,000 live births
5. Iceland 3.31 deaths/1,000 live births
6. Finland 3.59 deaths/1,000 live births
7. Norway 3.73 deaths/1,000 live births
8. Malta 3.94 deaths/1,000 live births
9. Czech Republic 3.97 deaths/1,000 live births
10. Andorra 4.05 deaths/1,000 live births
11. Germany 4.20 deaths/1,000 live births
12. France 4.31 deaths/1,000 live births
13. Macau 4.39 deaths/1,000 live births
14. Switzerland 4.43 deaths/1,000 live births
15. Spain 4.48 deaths/1,000 live births
16. Slovenia 4.50 deaths/1,000 live births
17. Denmark 4.63 deaths/1,000 live births
18. Austria 4.68 deaths/1,000 live births
19. Australia 4.76 deaths/1,000 live births
Belgium 4.76 deaths/1,000 live births
21. Liechtenstein 4.77 deaths/1,000 live births
22. Canada 4.82 deaths/1,000 live births
23. Luxembourg 4.88 deaths/1,000 live births
24. Netherlands 5.11 deaths/1,000 live births
25. Portugal 5.13 deaths/1,000 live births
26. United Kingdom 5.22 deaths/1,000 live births
27. Ireland 5.50 deaths/1,000 live births
28. Monaco 5.53 deaths/1,000 live births
29. Greece 5.63 deaths/1,000 live births
30. San Marino 5.85 deaths/1,000 live births
31. New Zealand 5.96 deaths/1,000 live births
32. Aruba 6.02 deaths/1,000 live births
33. Italy 6.07 deaths/1,000 live births
34. Cuba 6.45 deaths/1,000 live births
35. Taiwan 6.52 deaths/1,000 live births
36. United States 6.63 deaths/1,000 live births

 

[Dragoon68]

They have a much greater tendency to do that in a lot of other countries than America. For goodness sake we're below CUBA on infant mortality. Why? ...[/quote]

It would be interesting to study the full demographics of this data.

 

[carpro]

They have a much greater tendency to do that in a lot of other countries than America. For goodness sake we're below CUBA on infant mortality. Why? ...

It would be interesting to study the full demographics of this data.

Often cited, but rarely studied. Some countries don't count the birth for 48 to 72 hours. Some deaths occurring in home deliveries, especially in 3rd world countries like Cuba, are never reported at all.

But, Hey! It's fun to make the US look bad with faulty statistics. Some "Americans" thrive on it.

 

[Dragoon68]

Often cited, but rarely studied. Some countries don't count the birth for 48 to 72 hours. Some deaths occurring in home deliveries, especially in 3rd world countries like Cuba, are never reported at all.

But, Hey! It's fun to make the US look bad with faulty statistics. Some "Americans" thrive on it.

Apples to oranges comparisons can be made to make either the apple or orange look bad can't it? I suspect we'd also see significant differences among various groupings of the population. I wonder if the numbers include abortions never reported.

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

I homeschool my children, and shouldn't have to pay anything for the education, or lack there of in regards to the governement schools, of other families children.

Ah, so are you advocating a race to the bottom for our next generations?

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

They have a much greater tendency to do that in a lot of other countries than America. For goodness sake we're below CUBA on infant mortality. Why?

Because some America-hating LIBERAL probably came up with this study!

I find it interesting that some among us would rather attack the messenger rather than reflect upon the issue.

I wonder if the numbers include abortions never reported.

HUH?

Regards, hope this post finds both of you and yours well,
BiR

 

[StraightAndNarrow]

Here are the health care plans as laid out by the all the democratic candidates.

More Than You Wanted to Know About Health Care

By: Roger Simon
March 26, 2007 06:57 AM EST


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0307/3279.html

The Republicans on health care: