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The desolate land of Israel becomes like the Garden of Eden

unprofitable

Active Member
Show me the Scripture where God made a New Covenant with the Church. He didn't, Paul explained it to us and I showed it to you that we Gentiles are grafted into Israel's Covenant.

It's not my problem you won't believe it.
The New covenant is the marriage law by which the Church is bound to her husband, Christ. In order Church to be married to her true husband we had to be freed from that marriage by the death of Christ and being co buried and co raised with him. Otherwise we are still under the (bound) law and Christ's dying served no purpose, we are still in our sins.
 

Charlie24

Well-Known Member
@Martin Marprelate

This is God giving Israel out of love what He wanted for them, He's giving them a second chance and they will succeed this time.

If God had chosen the Church as His chosen people and not Israel and the shoe was on the other foot, He would have done the same for the Church.
 

unprofitable

Active Member
The New covenant is the marriage law by which the Church is bound to her husband, Christ. In order Church to be married to her true husband we had to be freed from that marriage by the death of Christ and being co buried and co raised with him. Otherwise we are still under the (bound) law and Christ's dying served no purpose, we are still in our sins.
In order for the church to be married
 

unprofitable

Active Member
@Martin Marprelatea

This is God giving Israel out of love what He wanted for them, He's giving them a second chance and they will succeed this time.

If God had chosen the Church as His chosen people and not Israel and show was on the other foot, He would have done the same for the Church.
A second chance. Where in scripture do we find that? I Cor 12:18 says HE HATH set the members in the Body. But you are saying national Israel will restore herself, put herself in the body of Christ? Since Christ, the apostles, and prophets are the foundation of the Church, what will national Israel be restored to that is as righteous?
 

Charlie24

Well-Known Member
A second chance. Where in scripture do we find that? I Cor 12:18 says HE HATH set the members in the Body. But you are saying national Israel will restore herself, put herself in the body of Christ? Since Christ, the apostles, and prophets are the foundation of the Church, what will national Israel be restored to that is as righteous?

Brother, you need to take some time and read the minor prophets, especially Zechariah, then come back and we can talk.
 

unprofitable

Active Member
@Martin Marprelate

This is God giving Israel out of love what He wanted for them, He's giving them a second chance and they will succeed this time.

If God had chosen the Church as His chosen people and not Israel and the shoe was on the other foot, He would have done the same for the Church.
I have CHOSEN you. Jn 15:15 The Christ as the chief corner, the prophets and the apostles being in the foundation. Chose to be a true witness as in Isaiah 43:10. Witnesses of the work of the hands of the Lord, the church. Why would God accomplish this by adding his people to anything but that TRUE foundation?
 

unprofitable

Active Member
Well, I don't know you and I don't want to be rude.
But it's very obvious you haven't read the minor prophets and have no idea what you're talking about.
Christ himself says in John 3:3 Except a man be born from above, he CANNOT see the kingdom of God. And that is beginning with the foundation, Christ himself being the chief cornerstone of the Church. He is the head of the church and the savior of the BODY. Eph 5:23 And he is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the first born from the dead, that in ALL THINGS he might have the preeminence. Where is he having preeminence? In the Church.

You say i need to read what you call the minor prophets. I say you need to go back to the Garden and begin reading for that is the beginning of the manifestation of the work of Christ. Can't tell the new without the old, the prophets being in the foundation, Christ as their head.
 

unprofitable

Active Member
1 John 3:14 says...we KNOW we have passed from death unto life (the light found in Christ) BECAUSE we love the brethren. Brethren is the word Christ used to call the members of the body of Christ in Matt 23:8. To take it outside is to do violence to the scriptures. When will so called national Israel love the brethren seeing it a proof of the life of Christ in them? Why does anyone love the brethren but they see the light of the life of Christ in them? When will national Israel love the church since it is a prerequisite to ruling and reigning?
 

Charlie24

Well-Known Member
Who has that light today? How will national Israel come to that light?

Paul said that all of Israel will be saved. There can be no mistake he is speaking of national Israel, he calls them his countrymen.

They are saved at the Second Coming when Christ comes to destroy the anti-Christ as he is in the process of destroying Israel.

They will see with their own eyes that Jesus of Nazareth is and was the Messiah their forefathers nailed to that Cross.

This is when it all begins for Israel and God has a vengeance for all the nations who have harmed Israel, His chosen people, throughout the centuries thinking God had abandoned them.

When in reality as Paul said, Israel has been partially blinded and set aside until the Gentiles have come to full. Meaning the rule of the Gentiles of this earth is over.
 

Charlie24

Well-Known Member
Paul said that all of Israel will be saved. There can be no mistake he is speaking of national Israel, he calls them his countrymen.

They are saved at the Second Coming when Christ comes to destroy the anti-Christ as he is in the process of destroying Israel.

They will see with their own eyes that Jesus of Nazareth is and was the Messiah their forefathers nailed to that Cross.

This is when it all begins for Israel and God has a vengeance for all the nations who have harmed Israel, His chosen people, throughout the centuries thinking God had abandoned them.

When in reality as Paul said, Israel has been partially blinded and set aside until the Gentiles have come to full. Meaning the rule of the Gentiles of this earth is over.

You can verify all of this if you read Zechariah and bits and pieces of Paul's letters.

I thin this would be a good thread for me to start one day and I can pull up all the Scripture to confirm the above post.
 

Charlie24

Well-Known Member
You can verify all of this if you read Zechariah and bits and pieces of Paul's letters.

I thin this would be a good thread for me to start one day and I can pull up all the Scripture to confirm the above post.

In fact, I will do my best to complete that thread this weekend. At the latest say Mon.

I will name the thread, "Israel finds their glory."
 

unprofitable

Active Member
Israel means he who shall rule as a prince with God. Scriptural Israel has never ceased to exist as Paul tells us in Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew which is one outwardly, neither is circumcision which is outward in the flesh. vs 29 But he is a Jew which is one inwardly, and circumcision if that of the heart, in the spirit and not in the letter, whose praise is not of men but of God. The kingdom of God with its covenant is everlasting and there has never ceased to be a man to sit upon the throne of David as evidenced in Christ in Matthew 16:18. Upon this rock, I will build my CHURCH and the gates of hell shall not prevail against IT. Therefore if national Israel will rule and reign, where must they come that they might not be prevailed against?
 

Charlie24

Well-Known Member
Israel means he who shall rule as a prince with God. Scriptural Israel has never ceased to exist as Paul tells us in Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew which is one outwardly, neither is circumcision which is outward in the flesh. vs 29 But he is a Jew which is one inwardly, and circumcision if that of the heart, in the spirit and not in the letter, whose praise is not of men but of God. The kingdom of God with its covenant is everlasting and there has never ceased to be a man to sit upon the throne of David as evidenced in Christ in Matthew 16:18. Upon this rock, I will build my CHURCH and the gates of hell shall not prevail against IT. Therefore if national Israel will rule and reign, where must they come that they might not be prevailed against?

I've already stated what Paul meant by Rom. 2:28. But I don't expect you to believe it, just as you have not believed anything else.

I'll clear it up in the thread.
 

unprofitable

Active Member
In fact, I will do my best to complete that thread this weekend. At the latest say Mon.

I will name the thread, "Israel finds their glory."
Unto Him be glory in THE CHURCH by Christ Jesus throughout ALL ages, world without end. Without EXCEPTION. The true Israel of God has long ago seen her glory and that in Christ in the church. So now we are faced with how will Israel be restored to her glory without the church where his glory is found. All mine are thine and thine are mine, and I am glorified in them. Jn 17:10 All Israel shall sure be saved
 
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