The Dietary Laws

[BobRyan]

Agreed!

http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/28/3938/7.html#000097

 

[Claudia_T]

Im sorry, I guess I lost it and went beserk

 

[Snitzelhoff]

Claudia, you said:

There is "new" wine and there is fermented wine..

"Honor the Lord with thy substance, and with the first fruits of all thine increase: so shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine." Prov. 3:9, 10.

You're implying that somebody can't be drunk off "new wine." Not to be disagreeable, but I disagree based on this passage:

"Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine. But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them... these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day."--Acts 2:14-15

Obviously, the people in the first century, who knew very well what "new wine" was, thought you could be drunk from it.

And I read the whole other thread just to make sure that question wasn't addressed over there. If it was, I missed it.

Michael

 

[SpiritualMadMan]

Originally posted by Claudia_T:
Spiritual Mad Man

Well I can see now why you seem to hold so ferociously to your "grace" theory... it seems to have more to do with "guarding" your so-called "liberty" to be able to drink alcoholic beverages.


Gal:5:13: For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh


You cant have a "little bit" of alcohol anymore than you can have a "little bit" of witchcraft, murder, adultery, or idolatry... "moderately drunk" just doesnt get it.


Galatians 5:
6: This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17: For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18: But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19: Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these ; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20: Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21: Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God .


....I'd say its more like you are "Walking in the Spirits" more than "Walking in the Spirit".


2Pt:2:19: While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

Claudia, dear decieved Claudia,

You do err not knowing me or what I truly believe concerning drinking alcohol...

And, in your accusing me of drinking you show you total inability to keep to the subject at hand and try to shift the subject to avoid the truth...

BTW: I do not drink alchohol. Never have. And, by God's Grace never will...

You are sadly mistaken...

On all counts...

SMM

 

[Alcott]

Originally posted by gekko:
if i think that drinking wine is wrong - and you drink wine in front of me - i would take offense.

Okay, weaker brother, no drinking wine around you. Now how about eating a grape; maybe you take the Nazarite position?

 

[gekko]

huh? where'd that come from?

weaker brother? just cause... where did i say that anyways?

i wouldn't mind if anybody drank wine around me - heck - today a couple guys were using a bong - and i was in the same room - i didn't take offense - the one guy even offered it to me by accident - but they know i dont do that stuff.

if i said that - i obviously didn't mean it...
i dont remember saying it though... lol.