The difference between liberals and conservatives.

Coburn is a one evil doctor ..what he did to women in Oklahoma is unconscionable.

Oklahoma Senate candidate says he's done `lots' of sterilizations
RON JENKINS, Associated Press Writer


(09-23) 17:46 PDT OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) --

Republican U.S. Senate candidate Tom Coburn, who has been accused of sterilizing a young woman without her permission 14 years ago, now says he has performed similar procedures on "lots" of underage women.

In an interview this week on the Tulsa radio station KRMG, Coburn was asked: "To your knowledge, could this situation have happened, or has happened with any other women?"

Coburn, a physician, replied: "I've done this lots to women who have come in with emergency things who have asked me to sterilize them, underage. When they've already had three babies."

Jay Parmley, state Democratic chairman, called Thursday on Coburn to detail "how many underage women he has sterilized."

Coburn spokesman John Hart said the candidate would not answer specific questions about how many medical procedures he has performed. Hart called it a "continuing smear campaign" by Democrats.

Coburn and Democrat Brad Carson are locked in a tight Senate race for the post Republican Don Nickles is leaving after 24 years. The race could be pivotal in the battle for control of the Senate.

The campaign became even more divisive with the emergence of details about the sterilization 14 years ago.

Coburn performed the procedure on the woman during an operation to remove an ectopic pregnancy, a dangerous condition in which an embryo was growing in her fallopian tube. He surgically removed the tube and tied off her other fallopian tube, leaving her sterile.

The woman says she never consented to the procedure. He said he got oral permission for the sterilization, but a nurse failed to get written consent.

Coburn has said he intentionally did not report the sterilization on a Medicaid reimbursement to ensure the woman would not have to pay for the procedure. Coburn said his political foes are pushing the issue to hurt his campaign even though the women's 1991 lawsuit over the matter was dropped.

Parmley said Coburn's remarks about the other sterilizations raise "serious questions" about "values and ethics," especially if Medicaid funding was involved.

 

Wait.... a guy provides a tubal ligation to women at their request... a procedure that can usually be reversed with one questionable occurrence of he said/she said... and you call him an "evil doctor"?

He's evil because he does it to underage women who request a reversible procedure?

Yet you support tooth and nail a party that supports abortion and even partial birth abortion? Abortions that sometimes result in infertility? Must you be reminded that it is Dems and liberals that have obstructed attempts to involve parents in minor girls' abortion decisions?

A big difference here is that abortions can't be undone and neither can the damage they sometimes do to women's reproductive organs.

 

You are perpetuating a lie and smearing of the character of a good man. Here is a response that actually cites the law, facts, and witnesses:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1252727/posts

Note that the lawyer, Walt Haskins, that represented Coburn in the case he won concerning that lady's accusations supported Coburns opponent politically... with the max contribution but still came out to correct this misinformation.

Further Haskins' response states:

Also in the article:

IOW's, Coburn did nothing wrong when he performed the procedure nor when he filed the claim. It was absolutely ethical.

 

Liberals will never win in america unless they get a sense of direction. All they tend to do is point at a certain political leader and tell us what he's doing wrong all the while avioding telling us what they would do different.

 

Cool OR! Now define fascism for us. Enquiring minds would like to know. </font>[/QUOTE]Alexander/Buckley do it well enough for me: Facism is the “illegitimate” [I can think of a more appropriate word.] brother of Communism. I can't improve on that.

 

ASLANSPAL

In case you haven't heard the news yet Coburn won!

 

Well, that certainly clears it up for me.

Regards anyway,
BiR

 

The bible talks about evil having its day and then its downfall. Tom Coburn will fall to the ground and rot...I stand on my statement "what he did to women was unconscionable" and listen to his spin and his excuses like a demon worm trying to wiggle out or a rotted apple.
Then his sycophants painting him as righteous...how has evil become good to ya'll.

in his own words Scott and you cannot change them

Republican U.S. Senate candidate Tom Coburn, who has been accused of sterilizing a young woman without her permission 14 years ago, now says he has performed similar procedures on "lots" of underage women.

Thats lots Scott as in many as not just a few and did you see the word "underage" spin that away Scotty boy.

Old Regular as we have witnessed those who are elected are not necessarily righteous and good
the big joke and catch phrase of George Bush "Compassionate Conservative" is a joke ..I would laugh but people are suffering under the
bush culture.

Elderly

Soldiers without body armor or defective armor

Veterans getting shaken down for more money

Higher prices at the pump

Higher education tuition

Services and their cost out the window

Innocent Americans being spied upon

and Tom Coburn taking advantage of underage girls.

Tons more..the bush culture has hurt this great nation.

Oh yeah Scotty Free Republic is going to tell the truth about one of their favorites Tom Coburn...gimme a break!

 

Liberals are folks who can't recognize their own unyielding prejudices such as sexism and reverse racism.

 

They have a problem. The Dem party is controlled and run by its liberal special interests. But those ideas won't sell and the politicians know it. What they would really like to run on is "we'll raise your taxes, run your lives and raise your children since you don't have the sense to do it yourself, protect your from yourself, relieve you from the economic consequences of your moral choices, expand the nanny state, protect certain classes from your moral bigotry, suppress economic initiative in the name of "fairness", and regulate you to the choking point... because we care".

The Dems attack and hope for Republican failure not because they don't have a real alternative point of view... but because they know how unpopular their real positions are.

 

It was funny and fair at the same time. If you are going to make sweeping negative generalizations and stereotypes about liberals, it is only fair that you do the same to conservatives.

 

Why don't we avoid stereotypes, even in humor? All it does is feed the flames...

 

I find that most humour is about stereotypes which can go too far sometimes. Didn't see anything wrong with the ones used in this article.

It is when those stereotypes aren't used in humour that I start having a problem with them.

 

As opposed to your drivel, they quoted real live people... and the law... and the facts.

You believe whatever you want. There is currently no law against denying the truth because you hate what a person believes.

Again, can you prove this was anything other than a routine tubal ligation? An elective and reversible procedure.

You try to spin this as if he were performing some unique and heinous procedure to ensure that women who wanted more children couldn't have them. Nothing could be further from the truth.

How many abortions have been done because of people who empower liberals like you? How many women have been irrepairably damaged by abortionists?

Those are not reversible things.

What are you and your liberal friends doing about it? Have you set up private foundations to relieve the poor? Why is it a government responsibility and Bush's fault that YOUR elderly neighbors and perhaps relatives live in need? Jesus made individual Christians responsible... at no point did He prescribe the OPM principle for relieving the poor... nor did He ever give any justification for wealth redistribution in the name of Christian morality.

Our charity has the dual purpose of relieving the poor and spreading the gospel... gov't efforts cut that in half and thus undermine the spread of the gospel.

Notably a situation he inherited instead of creating.

Many of the deployed units were reservists due to Clinton's "draconian" cuts in military spending... having been in the reserves, I know we were always under supplied and 5-10 years behind on technology. Clinton's "surpluses" have much more to do with this problem than any decision made by Bush.

You'll have to be more specific... since veterans overwhelmingly voted for him.

Yep... Bush's fault. Ten years of empty promises of a comprehensive energy policy under Clinton... Then Bush takes office, world demand exceeds production even at the highest levels ever... and of course its Bush's fault. I guess we'd be better off with the gas lines and shortages that resulted from prices controls.

Been going up for years... notably a segment controlled largely by liberals... since they care so much about education perhaps they should be willing to take a larger class load for less pay.

Last time I checked American income was still ahead of the curve. We just came out of a recession into a very solid, job producing, low inflation, low unemployment (read higher wages) economy. Not bad for someone who inherited the double dose of a failing economy and 9/11's economic impact.

Of course that's something new with Bush... Clinton, LBJ, Kennedy, et al never spied on "innocent" Americans.

Fact is, we are a nation under attack whereas Clinton didn't preside over such a situation and still illegally held 500 plus FBI files and sicked the IRS on his political enemies.

If "innocent" Americans are being spied on without any justification then it will be reviewed.

That's laughable coming from someone who supports a party and ideology that thinks its OK for school officials to advise young girls to have abortions.... to federally fund abortionists to advise young girls to have abortions... that opposes abstinance training as too religious... and opposes laws that would require parental involvement in abortion decisions.

Liberal abuse of young, ignorant girls is far more egregious than Coburn as a doctor performing an elective, reversible procedure on girls that ask for it and more than likely have consulted with their parents if available.

Only a truly warped mind would confuse a legitimate, routine, benign medical procedure the way you have.

They did a demonstrably better job than you.

 

Scott

A Republican Supreme Court made abortion legal in the U.S. (Roe vs. Wade). That's the bottom line.

 

Could you put a link up, to see how each individual justice sided ?

 

Doesn't matter if it was a Republican, Democrat, or Martian Supreme Court -- murder is murder, and we should not support it in any way, including with our votes. To whom do we owe our allegiance first, the Supreme Court or God?

 

Settle down a minuite. I thought the Nixon supreme court was an LBJ hand-me-down, and can't find, online, a breakdown. I could be wrong about this, and that's why I asked.

 

Yes. I am aware that Republicans appointed most of the members of the Supreme Court that gave us Roe v Wade. I don't know if they were Republicans personally or not.

However, the Republicans were not a conservative party at the time most of those people were appointed. The Goldwater '64 speech began a conversion of the party that culminated with Reagan's embracing of social/Christian conservatives.

Conservatives had previously been a separate wing of both parties. However the Dems were still a conservative party (especially by today's standards) up until the '60's. Many of FDR's programs weren't supposed to be permanent. Virtually everyone was a social conservative up until the 60's and 70's (for better and worse).

Liberals force conservatives out of the Democratic party.

The GOP isn't a thoroughly conservative party now... but they do offer a somewhat of a home to conservatives.

 

The court was appointed by: FDR (1), Ike (2), Kennedy (2), and Nixon (4).

Only Rehnquist a Nixon appointee and Byron White a JFK appointee dissented.

White said:

He was absolutely right.