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The diffrence of Tongues in Acts and at Corinth

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  1. ONENESS

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    Interesting qualification, that word "now."

    Phillip led a whole hoop of people in Samaria to the Lord, and even baptized them; but it wasn't until Peter and John came and laid hands on them that they received the Holy Spirit.

    The disciples of John were baptized in the name of Jesus, but it wasn't until after the apostle Paul had laid hands on them that they received the Holy Spirit.

    I find a verse that says "whether there be tongues, they shall cease"; but I cannot find one that indicates the laying on of hands will cease or has ceased.

    Interesting qualification, that word "now"....
    </font>[/QUOTE]Ok Don we will just stick to the regular question. Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed? You said no. So let me ask you this. How were you baptized?

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  2. ONENESS

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    Don may I go ahead and prophesy?

    Don will say "I was baptized unto the baptisim of my Pastor, saying in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost to show everyone that I beleive on Jesus.

    Now the deciples that Paul had come in contact with were deciples of John the Baptist. You cant say that the did not know or believe on Jesus. Thats what Johns ministry was all about.

    After being asked the question have you received the HOly Ghost since ye beleived they were kind of confused and said we have not even heard wether there be any Holy Ghost.

    I dont mean to get off the subject but while I am here I might as well stay . For all of you that say you receive the HOly Ghost at the moment upon beleiveing, this should open your eyes just a little.

    So Don may I suggest that you be baptized in the Name of Jesus?

    God Bless
     
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    Granny, would you like to say that was from the devil?[Oneness]

    "Now, I wonder what made you go & think of me? [​IMG]
    My first thought was: 'monkey see, monkey do'-but I said, "naw~I ain't gonna just put that. Next thought was: "wonder if he thought even once that 'dabbling in sin' was wrong; what if that old lady hadn't made the first move(it's usually a woman [​IMG] 'did he even consider if he had died before making that public 'repentance', where his soul would have spent eternity(I mean, y'all do believe it's possible to lose your salvation don't ya-these here do); and just what was so "different" in this particular service from all the others?

    As I hear it, that's exactly what happens in every service around here & the gibber-jabber runs rampant, unlike the Biblical tongues of the N.T. It's a false doctrine of nothing more than hype & emotionalism.

    Finally I thought: "The world often pursues the sensual, visual and temporal. I believe that such emotionalism is but a short-lived happiness. I believe that God is offended by any change to the Gospel & like I've said before, today's tongues is not of God!
     
  4. Don

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    Um, wrong; you asked "Speaking of Acts 19, who in here have received the Holy Ghost Since they believed?" I answered, "Me."

    I'm not sure how you got "no" out of that....

    As for the second part of this question, you didn't "prophesy"; we've already had this discussion. I told you then that I was baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, so you're not prophesying; you're repeating already-known knowledge.

    Two things about that already-known knowledge: 1) If I've been baptized in the name of the Son, then I've been baptized in the name of Jesus. Please, feel free to prove me wrong.

    2) The disciples of John very, very clearly admitted that they had been baptized unto John's baptism; if they did truly know of and believe in Jesus, then why were they baptized a second time?

    [ July 29, 2002, 05:22 PM: Message edited by: Don ]
     
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    John's ministry was this:

    His message was for Jews only and it was for Isreal to repent.

    Do you only preach and baptize repentance? Do you not realize that since John's message there was a death and a ressurection of our Lord? One vital to our salvation? Without that, we would not have the blood shed to be forgiven!

    Why did John's baptism not suffice? Not because a second one was needed ,but because of what Jesus himself explained.

    The Holy Spirit could not be sent until Jesus had died, was ressurected and ascended back into heaven.

    Unless you were alive at the time of Christ, there is no reason for you to need a second baptism, of any kind.

    ~Lorelei
     
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    Naomi,

    You have said that you don't believe that those of us who do not speak in tongues need to do so in order to be able to go to heaven.

    Do you believe that we have the Holy Spirit since we didn't receive the "evidence" that you claim to have received?

    ~Lorelei
     
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    Me. But I didn't have an apostle lay hands on me....</font>[/QUOTE]Granny, would you like to say that was from the devil?</font>[/QUOTE]Not from the devil, but very likely from emotions or was this a low key service? If you sin and die before being able to repent, are you then hell bound? If yes, aren't you scared to face each new day? There are countless ways to sin daily or do you have a MAJOR list of sins? By this I mean, are there sins that we don't have to worry about as they are MINOR? I don't have to worry as I am a Baptist and believe you are saved only ONE time. What ever you do, as a sinful human, is already forgiven. However, this is in no way a license to sin and anyone who thinks it is and sins in a premeditated way, to me, wasn't saved to start with. ;)

    God Bless.............Alex

    [ July 30, 2002, 12:15 AM: Message edited by: Alex ]
     
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    I would be a fool to say that people who do not speak in tongues, are not filled with the Holy Spirit.
    Although I do not know these people personally, what I have read thus far from people like: Barnabas, Bob Griffin, Clint and Margie, Helen, Saggy woman, DHK, Brother Glen, Katie, Granny Gumbo, Granny's daughter, among other's, to say they are not filled with the Holy Spirit would be very foolish, as well as ludicrous!!!(sp?)
    How do I reconcile this with my statement about evidence? I don't know! I do consider all of these people my brothers and sisters in the Lord, and I do consider these people saved.
    IMHO [​IMG]
    Naomi (I hope I answered your question) LOL!

    [ July 30, 2002, 01:41 AM: Message edited by: Naomi ]
     
  12. DHK

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    I think that Matt Slick is a little off on his stand on the Charismatic movement, but he has a great website.
    One of the links that some may want to check out is this one:
    http://www.carm.org/oneness.htm
    DHK
     
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    Lorelei, good to see you posting again. Have you been around on other topics or is this the first time you've posted in a while? Either way thanks for the solid argument you presented.

    Sister Naomi, On page 4 I kind of challanged you to give an interpretation of Isaiah 28, keeping in mind the "sign" theme that Paul used while referencing IS. 28. You have not taken my challange yet. Is it because I actually make sense on this one and you accept my interpretation? or are you just ignoring me :(
    Actually, I don't think you commented on Don or my pointing out how you mistakingly thought that the people in that one example were Christians when it is pretty obvious that they were not.
    Naomi, I do not say these things as to get you on the defensive but for me to grow in my ability to present what I see the scripture saying it is important to see how others interpret scripture that in this case seems cut and dry. We all need to continue to learn and grow everyday.

    In Love and Truth,
    Brian
     
  14. ONENESS

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    Granny for the first time you put a smile on my face this morning. [​IMG] Granny alot made me think of you when I wrote that.

    Yes I always knew that dabbling in sin was wrong. I mean it was not nothing like smokeing weed, drinking, yadda yadda yadda, but sin is still sin no matter how we look at it. I guess you could say my sin is the same as your sin, but i confessed mine. LOL just kidding [​IMG]

    I dont know if that lady had made the first move if I would have went up that soon or not. Usually its after the preaching but this was during. But who cares, I got done, what needed to be done.

    Granny I dont think a public repentance has anything to do with anything. The Bible tells us that This is the hour of salvation. The Spirit was moveing, and I did not hesitate on my convictions. Granny an alter call, is not something for show. It is an oppurtunity for everyone in the Church to find an alter of repentance. Thats what the alter is there for. It is to alter your life. Now I am not saying that I could not have found an alter any where else. But thats where I was at, at the time. and Thats where my sins were forgiven. You see the Cool thing about a good church is that you have brothers, and sisters that can come up and pray with you. We are more than a bunch of close friends, we are family, and thats how we treat each other too. Our church is only as strong as the weakest member. And I am glad God has provided a place where I can go. DO you have a problem with Public Worship, Repentance, Praise etc. I am not talking about show. I am talking about sincere worship. If it just for Show thanI have a problem with it as well.

    You see Granny, there is something about Church that most people have not figured out yet. Most people come to church sit in the same spot every sunday, sing the same songs, recite the same creeds and get caught up in rutien every week. Every service that we have is diffrent. B/c eveyone has their own walk with God. We may come in and sing songs, listen to preaching, or what have you but every time you enter the church doors you will feel change. And its not b/c of the people but it is b/c God is changeing People. My Pastor is not a man that goes and buys his sermans from the local bible book store. He is a man that is continually in prayer on what God would have him do. You could not even begin to understand the duty of a pastor that is seeking after God for his people, and fighting the battles they have to face, day in and day out, let alone dealing with the people. But obvisouly God laid this messege on his heart, not because it sounded good, but b/c it was time for it. ANd I know you have always heard it say. God is on time everytime. And this time was no exception.

    Granny thats, what I am saying and thats why I thought of you When I made the remark earlier. I am sorry you dont get emotional after all that God has done for you. I am sorry you dont get excited when God does something for you. I bet you are the same person that Goes to the race every sunday, Stand up when your driver wins the race jumps up and down and goes Crazy. Now that is crazy to me. Why cant we get excited about our Lord? Why cant we shout b/c we have won battles? Why cant we ever get radical in the spirit?

    Granny I almost think you wish you could worship God in a similar way that we do. But you are probably to scared to break out of your tradition. YOu have said before you would rather spend time with the people of your sons church than all the carnal baptist. Maybe thats b/c you notice something real about the People that have an emotional relationship with Jesus. Try haveing a relationship with your husband without being emotional. If you are emotional with all the people that you love. Than why not be emotioal for GOD?

    Emotionallisim is only a shortlived happiness if your emotions are for the wrong person. But God is forever. Granny let me ask you this. What do you think of Mary when she broke open that alabaster box, and washed Jesus feet with her tears? Remember when Judas said he could have sold that costly perfume and gave the money to the poor? Remember what God told him? Why trouble ye the woman? For she hath wroubht a good work upon me. And he commanded that story be preached where ever the Gospel be preached.

    God bless
     
  15. ONENESS

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    Um, wrong; you asked "Speaking of Acts 19, who in here have received the Holy Ghost Since they believed?" I answered, "Me."

    I'm not sure how you got "no" out of that....

    As for the second part of this question, you didn't "prophesy"; we've already had this discussion. I told you then that I was baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, so you're not prophesying; you're repeating already-known knowledge.

    Two things about that already-known knowledge: 1) If I've been baptized in the name of the Son, then I've been baptized in the name of Jesus. Please, feel free to prove me wrong.

    2) The disciples of John very, very clearly admitted that they had been baptized unto John's baptism; if they did truly know of and believe in Jesus, then why were they baptized a second time?
    </font>[/QUOTE]
    My appologies. You are right. I thought I asked who has not received the HOly Ghost since you beleived. Please forgive me.

    I was only being facetious

    Don you are probably the person that i respect and like the most on this board. You have for the most part kept a really good attitude. So just name the place and the time and I will be there to try and prove you right.

    B/C they had to be born of the water and the spirit.

    God bless
     
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    John's ministry was this:

    His message was for Jews only and it was for Isreal to repent.

    Do you only preach and baptize repentance? Do you not realize that since John's message there was a death and a ressurection of our Lord? One vital to our salvation? Without that, we would not have the blood shed to be forgiven!

    Why did John's baptism not suffice? Not because a second one was needed ,but because of what Jesus himself explained.

    The Holy Spirit could not be sent until Jesus had died, was ressurected and ascended back into heaven.

    Unless you were alive at the time of Christ, there is no reason for you to need a second baptism, of any kind.

    ~Lorelei
    </font>[/QUOTE]Nice to see you back. Long time no see.

    His message was for Jews only and it was for Isreal to repent.
    </font>[/QUOTE]You are right. But that was only Part of it.

    John 1:6There was a man sent from od, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that light but was sent to bear witness of that light.

    So in other words he was come to promote Jesus. He was a forerunner of Christ. He was the one preparing the way of the Lord. He was a voice crying out.

    So if they were Johns Deciples, they knew who Jesus was.

    No that is not all we preach. Here on the board we are haveing a discussion about certain topics. And whatever the topic is about is what you will hear; more than likly. We preach the ressurection of the Lord al the time. And we preach the Blood allthe time as well.

    The Holy Spirit could not be sent until Jesus had died, was ressurected and ascended back into heaven. </font>[/QUOTE]I wonder why that was? Could it be b/c the Holy GHost was standing right in front of them? (kind of off subject)
     
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    DHK, the only thing that has ceased is your ability to seek after what God has for you. ;)
     
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    Oneness, are you attempting to say that the baptism of John's followers in Acts 19 wasn't a water baptism, but the baptism of the Holy Spirit?
     
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    No Don. The Deciples were baptized by John in Water. They were then baptized in the Name of Jesus by Paul. Then they were baptized by the Holy Ghost.
     
  20. Don

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    So why were they baptized a second time?
     
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