The diffrence of Tongues in Acts and at Corinth

You are quite right, Granny! It,s always easier to run when you are defeated and/or cannot prove via the bible that you are right. In her post of the many, many references about tongue speaking as being always alive and doing great, see posted comments by man over these years and nothing from the bible. I would surmise that all these past supporters of a on going tongue speaking church, believes as she, just from a few scriptures that has been blown away by the many post aginst it. The bible doesn't change, man does!!!!! If it isn't a part of salvation now, then it is useless and also, why not focus on the important gifts rather than the last? It is sad, but this could be as DHK stated, that this could be a continueing cult from many years ago and people like Noami have fallen, hook, line and sinker for it and may be in deep water. I sure hope not, but look at the Mormons, a lost group that don't see it!

God Bless............Alex</font>[/QUOTE]

Alex let me ask you a very important question.

Which Gift is the most important?

Which Gift is most important to you?

Which Gift do we need before we can have any of the other gifts?

You dont have to answer that if you dont want to. Just think about it.

 

Posted by Alex

Well........You may be right, we may be following a cult. A cult that started many years ago. One that started a little over 2000 years ago to be exact. We follow the exact teachings that the apostles taught. Thats Repentace, Jesus Name baptisim, The infilling of the HOly Ghost, Living a holy Life, prayer, fasting, soul searching, etc.

Yea we have fallen hook, line and sinker over the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Thats what makes us shout, and get up every morn with a smile on our faces.

If you guys are satisfied with standing on the shorline looking out at the deep, than go for it. I am so glad that I am in this thing over my head. I dove right in when i got the chance to do so. You keep standing in the shallow as long as you need to. But one day you are going to have to venture out into the deep in order to get what God has for you. The bible says The Deep calleth unto Deep. It is more than a blessing to be in this thing so deep.

Psalms 92:5 O LORD, how great are thy works! and thy thoughts are very deep.

Psalms 95:4 In his hand are the deep places of the earth: the strength of the hills is his also.

Psalms 107:24 These see the works of the LORD, and his wonders in the deep.

Psalms 135:6 Whatsoever the LORD pleased, that did he in heaven, and in earth, in the seas, and all deep places.

Proverbs 20:5 ¶ Counsel in the heart of man is like deep water; but a man of understanding will draw it out.

Daniel 2:22 He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.

Luke 6:48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.

1 Corinthians 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

Brother, be aware that we get excited when we get to go deeper. Wether it be in tribulation or in blessing, Doctrine of Psalms, whatever we find we try our best not to do it half hearted, we do it with all of our might. So if we have to swim for a little while, than why not?

What is so bad about the deep?
God bless

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Brian, thats a really good theory, but would the Apostles have been able to speak in tongues on the Day of Pentecost with out the Spirit of God giveing the utterence?

Could the Gentiles have spoken in tongues when ever they wanted to?

Could the Deciples of John SPoke in tongues whenever they wanted to?

Again the purpose of tongues in the book of Acts were diffrent than the gift of tongues.

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Where do you get that I went after your character?

Inever said that you dont have any fun, I just quoted what you said about your own people. I beleive you guys have fun, i never stated any diffrent. Please post what I may have stated so i can make my self clear on the meaning.

If anything I said offended you please point it out.

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Originally posted by GrannyGumbo:
Granny, would you like to say that was from the devil?[Oneness]

"Now, I wonder what made you go & think of me?
My first thought was: 'monkey see, monkey do'-but I said, "naw~I ain't gonna just put that. Next thought was: "wonder if he thought even once that 'dabbling in sin' was wrong; what if that old lady hadn't made the first move(it's usually a woman 'did he even consider if he had died before making that public 'repentance', where his soul would have spent eternity(I mean, y'all do believe it's possible to lose your salvation don't ya-these here do); and just what was so "different" in this particular service from all the others?

As I hear it, that's exactly what happens in every service around here & the gibber-jabber runs rampant, unlike the Biblical tongues of the N.T. It's a false doctrine of nothing more than hype & emotionalism.

Finally I thought: "The world often pursues the sensual, visual and temporal. I believe that such emotionalism is but a short-lived happiness. I believe that God is offended by any change to the Gospel & like I've said before, today's tongues is not of God!
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Granny for the first time you put a smile on my face this morning. Granny alot made me think of you when I wrote that.

Yes I always knew that dabbling in sin was wrong. I mean it was not nothing like smokeing weed, drinking, yadda yadda yadda, but sin is still sin no matter how we look at it. I guess you could say my sin is the same as your sin, but i confessed mine. LOL just kidding

I dont know if that lady had made the first move if I would have went up that soon or not. Usually its after the preaching but this was during. But who cares, I got done, what needed to be done.

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'did he even consider if he had died before making that public 'repentance', where his soul would have spent eternity(I mean, y'all do believe it's possible to lose your salvation don't ya-these here do)
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Granny I dont think a public repentance has anything to do with anything. The Bible tells us that This is the hour of salvation. The Spirit was moveing, and I did not hesitate on my convictions. Granny an alter call, is not something for show. It is an oppurtunity for everyone in the Church to find an alter of repentance. Thats what the alter is there for. It is to alter your life. Now I am not saying that I could not have found an alter any where else. But thats where I was at, at the time. and Thats where my sins were forgiven. You see the Cool thing about a good church is that you have brothers, and sisters that can come up and pray with you. We are more than a bunch of close friends, we are family, and thats how we treat each other too. Our church is only as strong as the weakest member. And I am glad God has provided a place where I can go. DO you have a problem with Public Worship, Repentance, Praise etc. I am not talking about show. I am talking about sincere worship. If it just for Show thanI have a problem with it as well.

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and just what was so "different" in this particular service from all the others?

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You see Granny, there is something about Church that most people have not figured out yet. Most people come to church sit in the same spot every sunday, sing the same songs, recite the same creeds and get caught up in rutien every week. Every service that we have is diffrent. B/c eveyone has their own walk with God. We may come in and sing songs, listen to preaching, or what have you but every time you enter the church doors you will feel change. And its not b/c of the people but it is b/c God is changeing People. My Pastor is not a man that goes and buys his sermans from the local bible book store. He is a man that is continually in prayer on what God would have him do. You could not even begin to understand the duty of a pastor that is seeking after God for his people, and fighting the battles they have to face, day in and day out, let alone dealing with the people. But obvisouly God laid this messege on his heart, not because it sounded good, but b/c it was time for it. ANd I know you have always heard it say. God is on time everytime. And this time was no exception.

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As I hear it, that's exactly what happens in every service around here & the gibber-jabber runs rampant, unlike the Biblical tongues of the N.T. It's a false doctrine of nothing more than hype & emotionalism.
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Granny thats, what I am saying and thats why I thought of you When I made the remark earlier. I am sorry you dont get emotional after all that God has done for you. I am sorry you dont get excited when God does something for you. I bet you are the same person that Goes to the race every sunday, Stand up when your driver wins the race jumps up and down and goes Crazy. Now that is crazy to me. Why cant we get excited about our Lord? Why cant we shout b/c we have won battles? Why cant we ever get radical in the spirit?

Granny I almost think you wish you could worship God in a similar way that we do. But you are probably to scared to break out of your tradition. YOu have said before you would rather spend time with the people of your sons church than all the carnal baptist. Maybe thats b/c you notice something real about the People that have an emotional relationship with Jesus. Try haveing a relationship with your husband without being emotional. If you are emotional with all the people that you love. Than why not be emotioal for GOD?

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Finally I thought: "The world often pursues the sensual, visual and temporal. I believe that such emotionalism is but a short-lived happiness. [/
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Emotionallisim is only a shortlived happiness if your emotions are for the wrong person. But God is forever. Granny let me ask you this. What do you think of Mary when she broke open that alabaster box, and washed Jesus feet with her tears? Remember when Judas said he could have sold that costly perfume and gave the money to the poor? Remember what God told him? Why trouble ye the woman? For she hath wroubht a good work upon me. And he commanded that story be preached where ever the Gospel be preached.

God bless

Is this what you were speaking of? Again please let me know what offended you.

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I think the way that i understand you is that you somewhat think the person is born with the gift??????????? Is that correct?

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Who said ne thing about getting someone sidetracked? Granny your problem is; you know that i am right.

 

*waves hand in front of face* Earth to Granny, what are you talking about?

 

ONENESS:
Do you realize that these quotes posted here by granny are history's first documented encounter with tongues other than with heretical fringe groups. This is the first time tongues came into existence since 70 A.D. And the "tongues" aren't "tongues," so to speak, that is languages; they are gibberish--something that is used in paganism and occult worship. You're living dangerously close to the edge there, ONENESS. Maybe you have already fallen over it.
DHK</font>[/QUOTE]Ok DHK, see what that is, is a quote from someone who does not believe the same way. I can say something about anything and some one can use it later. To me, kind of like what Chemitz said when I first started posting here. And it may have been you, i dont really remmeber. But I dont rely on what people think. I rely on what the bible says.

god bless

 

Your right Gods Grace is first in formost the greatest gift.

But my questions were pertaining to the Gift of the Holy Ghost. In order to have any of the Gifts of the Spirit you must first have the "Gift of the Holy Ghost"

That to me is the most important, save grace. We do not seek after tongues, we seek after the Holy Ghost. Which is the first.

First of all you have to accept salvation before you can go any farther. Gods promise to the believers was the Gift of the Holy ghost.

See your thought process is totally backwards. You dont seek after tongues, so please quit thinking like that. But the bibles tells us to pray or ask for the Holy Ghost.

Luke 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

 

DHK, you could tell someone about me and what I beleive, saying that I believe we are saved by our works, baptisims etc. But the fact is I dont.

I know alot of things you read in that article sound wacky, alot of them sound that way to me too. The thing that you should not ignore is that everyone is not the same in their beliefs.

Here is a link to the UPCI history. If you browse around you will find alot more of our history. But I am in a hurry, so do me a favor and check it out since I did the same for you.

http://upci.org/about/index.asp#history

God bless