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The Divinity of Christ
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David Michael Harris
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Depends how dull you are I guess.
You cannot meet with the divine without knowing the divine. The treasure in the field, the Pearl of great price. As if any man could say that if people did not honor Him they were not worthy of Him.
I wonder what is going on in todays church that people are not sure of this and that.
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Who is Jesus Christ other than a good man otherwise? If He was not God, how could He pay for the sins of the world? What difference would it make to me? With a Jesus who is not God who could not pay for the sins of the world, then that is not the true Jesus and no better than Buddah.
gospel salvation, the type where you and not Christ, save yourself from an untoward generation, where your faith and obedience justifies you among men, yes, belief in the divinity of Christ is an absolute must, otherwise your declaration of faith means nothing and does not separate you from your old religion.
eternal salvation ? I don't see any Scripture either in Old Testament or New Testament that says Christ will pay for anyone's sin and redeem him depending on his religion, theology, or anything else of that sort.
eternal salvation ? I don't see any Scripture either in Old Testament or New Testament that says Christ will pay for anyone's sin and redeem him depending on his religion, theology, or anything else of that sort.
David Michael Harris
Active Member
It's just not believing theological truths of the Bible. Christianity is about knowing Christ or rather being known by Him.
How anyone though could profess to be a Christian and not believe or know that Christ is Divine beggars belief. It could happen I suppose but as I said you would have to be an extremely dim person, unfortunately.
saturneptune
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How could anyone read the first chapter of John, believe it, and believe anything except that Jesus Christ is God, the Creator, and quite Divine.
Because they're blinded. It's the only answer. Otherwise I'm with you. It's SOOOOO there. But we recently saw a poster come here to try to convince us otherwise.
Well, its funny, because I was raised in a Baptist church since I was 7 and thought I was saved at 11. At age 22 I was really saved, and ironically enough the very first doctrine I fell into was the trinity. Im not sure if I was saved right before or right after that but within that 2 week period I was saved. Anyway, I'm not going to say that it is or isn't a necessity, but I do know that if one is truly saved they will come to a point that they realize that Jesus is God. For me it was immediate in one sense or the other, but if it is a requirement, then it must be part of our gospel message.
I don't think it is possible for a truly saved believer who is sold to the Lord to avoid the divinity of Christ. I also don't think when you first meet the Lord you must understand all kinds of things about Him theologically. I personally realized His power and Holiness and my sinfulness in a large degree like never before. So, I would say that it is natural to be overwhelmed as I was by divinity without knowing the details. I just cant pinpoint my theological understanding of His might at that point as to whether it was right before or right after I was saved. Now, The Gospel is a different case I don't think the Lord reveals Himself any other way than the hearing of the forgiveness of sins by Christ on the cross. As far as the Gospel I knew Jesus paid my penalty on the cross and took what I deserved, but as far as the doctrine that clears up the detail I am again uncertain of the depth to my understanding although it was very shallow.
I keep thinking of Paul at His conversion, I know He denied Jesus and probably thought there was only one God. Im sure he heard the Gospel many many times, but whether He made the connection of the trinity, I don't know. There are many Scriptural passages to examine, but I really think the key is that we meet the true God of Scripture and not only just intellectually get filled with info. Now, on the flip side, Jesus definitely made it crystal clear that He is God the Son, and many hated Him for that comment as it was the very reason why they wanted to crucify Him. So I do think it is central in the Gospel accounts.
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canadyjd
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I Tim. 4:16 "Pay close attention to yourself and to your teaching; persevere in these things: for as your do this you will insure salvation both for yourself and for those who hear you."
That appears to be a direct link between teaching/doctrine and salvation.
I Cor. 1:21 "For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe."
That appears to be a direct link between teaching/doctrine and salvation.
John 20:30-31 "Many other signs therefore Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book: (31) but these have been written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name."
That appears to be a direct link between teaching/doctrine and salvation. In fact, it appears to address the issue of believing in divinity of Jesus (the Son of God) in order to have "life in His name."
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It is one thing to "not believe" a cardinal doctrine because you simply don't understand it or maybe never even heard of it, and to "not believe" because you know/understand and say it is not true.
None of the elect will be in the latter category; all will believe.
I was regenerated by the holy spirit without believing in the Virgin Birth (I was 10 and no clue what a "virgin" was!!).
None of the elect will be in the latter category; all will believe.
I was regenerated by the holy spirit without believing in the Virgin Birth (I was 10 and no clue what a "virgin" was!!).
To be saved requires no special or prerequisite knowledge. We are saved by God's miraculous gift of grace through faith. Salvation in Christ is not dependent upon nor consumated by an intectual cognition. The Gnostics believe this is the case but the New Testament teaches us differently.
I am a staunch supporter of the divinity and humanity of Jesus. I believe proper belief is part of our sanctification. I don't believe it is part of our jusification.
I am a staunch supporter of the divinity and humanity of Jesus. I believe proper belief is part of our sanctification. I don't believe it is part of our jusification.
One who confesses Christ as Lord and believes in his heart that God has raised Christ from the dead is saved.
He'll learn the finer points of doctrine along the way, and some he may take years to accept as those to whom Hebrews was written.
The One who saves is a Person, not a doctrine.
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Victorious
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Actually, that's more like the difference between Christians and JW's. Mormons believe Jesus is just one of many gods. They can even attain godhood themselves as their "spirit brother" did.
OldRegular
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It may be possible for someone to be saved without understanding the Divinity of Jesus Christ. It is not possible that one who is saved will not come to understand that Jesus Christ is Divine.
1 Corinthians 12:3. Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.