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The early Church was not Pre, but Postmillenial. ???

Tom Schaefer

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Postmillenial Dispensationalists has became popular to the Baptists who used the Scofield Bible! Why the big change that has only been around since the 1800’s?


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Jerome

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Postmillenial Dispensationalists has became popular....Why the big change

SBTS President Albert Mohler said on his radio show several years ago:
I'm not sure that dispensational premillenialists are wrong....I'm certainly not sure they're wrong, and I'll tell you this—one of the good things is, I've never met a liberal dispensationalist, and I'm very thankful for that. Dispensationalists love the Scripture and they are determined to obey and to understand the Scripture
 

Martin Marprelate

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ALWAYS VICTORIOUS! THE EARLIEST CHURCH NOT PRE- BUT POSTMILLENNIAL

-4- (13) Also the Newer Testament (including Revelation chapter twenty) says that Christ's Messianic reign will constantly increase toward a 'Golden Age.' That reign commenced at His first advent, with His incarnation and His earthly preaching of the Kingdom of God.11 And that realm got underway especially at His resurrection from the dead and His ascension and heavenly session.12

(14) Since then, His reign has been expanding continually. It will keep on effecting glorious improvements to the condition of the Earth and its various inhabitants  until it brings blessings World-wide.13 Then, a "thousand years" after that  thus Revelation chapter twenty  Christ will simultaneously resurrect14 the dead saints and the wicked dead unto their final reward or punishment at the end of History.15



11 Mt. chs. 1 to 5; Lk. chs. 1 to 4; Rev. chs. 1 & 5 to 9 & 20:1-7.


12 Acts ch. 2; Col. 1:13-20; Rev. 1:5,18; 20:1f; 22:16.

13 I Cor. 15:24-28 cf. Mt. 24:14; 28:18-20; Acts 1:5-8; Rev. 1:5-9; 12:11; 17:14; 20:1-6.

14 Jh. 5:28f; Acts 24:15; I Cor. 15:23; Phil. 3:20f; I Th. 4:16; Rev. 20:13-15.

15 Mt. 25:31-46; Jh. 5:27-29; 6:39f,44,54; 11:24; Rev. 20:7-15.
The problem is that it is equally easy to provide another set of text showing that the world is going to get worse.
And of course both are true. That's why I'm Amil. :)
 

Iconoclast

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The problem is that it is equally easy to provide another set of text showing that the world is going to get worse.
And of course both are true. That's why I'm Amil. :)
With the two lists of verses....an examination needs to take place as to if they refer to the end of the O.T.Theocracy....or the end of days on this sin cursed earth.
In Timothy for example when it speaks of perilous times
..was that back then? Or was Paul speaking of 2000years in the future?
If it was a warning in his day....it opens up the optimistic list after that time has past by.
In the letters to the seven churches...he names living individuals so it was not symbolic of ages...ie, the Laodiciean period.....lasting for decades.
 
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Iconoclast

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Postmillenial Dispensationalists has became popular to the Baptists who used the Scofield Bible! Why the big change that has only been around since the 1800’s?


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I am not sure I have ever heard of such a description. Tom....who is a representative of such a group....do you have any name of someone who teaches this combination? Did you mean....premillenial dispensational?
 

Tom Schaefer

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I am not sure I have ever heard of such a description. Tom....who is a representative of such a group....do you have any name of someone who teaches this combination? Did you mean....premillenial dispensational?

Sorry! I meant premillennial dispensational! Forgive me. Thanks


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Martin Marprelate

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With the two lists of verses....an examination needs to take place as to if they refer to the end of the O.T.Theocracy....or the end of days on this sin cursed earth.
In Timothy for example when it speaks of perilous times
..was that back then? Or was Paul speaking of 2000years in the future?
If it was a warning in his day....it opens up the optimistic list after that time has past by.
In the letters to the seven churches...he names living individuals so it was not symbolic of ages...ie, the Laodiciean period.....lasting for decades.
2 Timothy 3:1-2. 'But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come.........' There are no more days to come after the 'last days.' '.....For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters........' This has been going on all through the last days. This isn't just for 5 or 6 years until AD 70 and then everything gets better. This is the situation that was going on in Paul's day and it's about today. This is what makes the Bible such an amazing book; it speaks to every generation.

So yes, the Gospel is being preached in all the world; yes we are to make disciples of all nations; yes, the Gospel is bearing fruit all over the earth; but at the same time the love of the greater number grows cold; men will not endure sound doctrine, and when the Son of Man comes again, will He find faith on earth? It is estimated that no more than 3% of the UK population has an evangelical faith.
 

Martin Marprelate

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One further thought on this.
The Puritans tended to be Postmil because they were optimistic. They saw (as they thought) the Pope receiving a mortal wound, Protestantism being established in Northern Europe and the Gospel flourishing in the New World. They looked forward to an early Return of Christ because things were going so well.

But then in 1685 there was the Revocation of the Edicts of Nantes and the Dragonades and suddenly there were hundreds of thousands of refugee Huguenots flooding into England and with them the 'French Prophets' who were Premil and saw the mortal wound of the beast as being healed (Revelation 13:3) and looked forward to an early return of Christ because things were going so badly!
 

JonC

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What Tertullian or Irenaeus wrote is immaterial as the question was regarding what the Scriptures say. However, the first reference given to support Postmillennialism was Joel 2:28-32. The very next verse is Joel 3:1, 2 - "For then, in those days and at that time, when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem, I will gather all the nations and bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat, and I will enter into judgment with them there, on account of my people and my heritage Israel, because they have scattered them among the nations. They have divided my land," Do you believe this will happen or does "Judah," "Jerusalem," "my people and my heritage Israel," and "my land" have another reference? I would be more than willing to examine each of these references as you expressed an interest to do so.
I must have misunderstood the question. I thought it was what the early church believed (which is that they were going through the tribulation at that time, in anticipation of Christ's return and reign on earth for a thousand years).
 
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