The Elect, The Sheep, and the Like

[MB]

What does God provide for people who have never herd of Christ today?

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

This tells me that all men already know and they have no excuse of not knowing
MB

 

[AustinC]

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

This tells me that all men already know and they have no excuse of not knowing
MB

Humans are not condemned for not knowing about Jesus redemptive atonement. How could they reject that which they could not know?

Humans are justly condemned for their open rebellion against God. Nature reveals that God exists, yet all humans rebel against their Creator. Therefore all humans are condemned by their own actions, which go against God.

Had God not chosen to willfully redeem you, MB, you would have justly been condemned like all others who are in rebellion.

 

[Brightfame52]

Neither of these verses prove election for Gentiles.It's your philosophy that has you believing in election for your self. Gentiles are never called elect in the Bible.

Absolutely false. Colossians was written to Gentile Believers and Paul said of them Col 3:12

Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

 

[Brightfame52]

That is not my meaning this is your philosophy again. No where have you ever proven that election is necessary for Salvation. Prove that it is and I'll take off my hat to you.
MB

Salvation is by Grace. It begins with Election, the Election of Grace Rom 11:5

Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

This Truth is necessary to preach the gospel of the grace of God Acts 20:24

But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

This Gospel is to explain how Salvation is 100% the Grace of God from eternal election to final glory. It begins with unconditional election of Grace from before the world began 2 Tim 1:9

 

[MB]

Salvation is by Grace. It begins with Election, the Election of Grace Rom 11:5

Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

This Truth is necessary to preach the gospel of the grace of God Acts 20:24

But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

This Gospel is to explain how Salvation is 100% the Grace of God from eternal election to final glory. It begins with unconditional election of Grace from before the world began 2 Tim 1:9

I don't believe you even for a minute none of this is true for Gentiles. Unless you are a Jew you are not elect. Romans 11:5 is addressed to the Jews. There is no so called remnant of Gentiles.
Paul states at the beginning of this chapter who he is speaking to.
Rom 11:1 I say, then, Did God cast away His people? let it not be! for I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin:
No where in scripture does it ever say Gentiles are elect,
Salvation is not by grace alone, with out faith you have no grace.
Eph 2:8
MB

 

[MB]

Absolutely false. Colossians was written to Gentile Believers and Paul said of them Col 3:12

Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

"To put on" means to emulate not steel the election from the Jews. Show me where God elected the Gentiles. What you believe is false In CollsiansPaul was speaking in the synagogue and there is nothing but Jews in a synagogue. Paul was arrested for bringing Gentiles in to the synagogue.
Calvinism is Philosophy not Biblical doctrine.
MB

 

[Brightfame52]

I don't believe you even for a minute none of this is true for Gentiles. Unless you are a Jew you are not elect. Romans 11:5 is addressed to the Jews. There is no so called remnant of Gentiles.
Paul states at the beginning of this chapter who he is speaking to.
Rom 11:1 I say, then, Did God cast away His people? let it not be! for I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin:
No where in scripture does it ever say Gentiles are elect,
Salvation is not by grace alone, with out faith you have no grace.
Eph 2:8
MB

I dont care if you dont believe me.

 

[Yeshua1]

I don't believe you even for a minute none of this is true for Gentiles. Unless you are a Jew you are not elect. Romans 11:5 is addressed to the Jews. There is no so called remnant of Gentiles.
Paul states at the beginning of this chapter who he is speaking to.
Rom 11:1 I say, then, Did God cast away His people? let it not be! for I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin:
No where in scripture does it ever say Gentiles are elect,
Salvation is not by grace alone, with out faith you have no grace.
Eph 2:8
MB

One cannot be saved if not elected out beforehand by the Father!

 

[Yeshua1]

"To put on" means to emulate not steel the election from the Jews. Show me where God elected the Gentiles. What you believe is false In CollsiansPaul was speaking in the synagogue and there is nothing but Jews in a synagogue. Paul was arrested for bringing Gentiles in to the synagogue.
Calvinism is Philosophy not Biblical doctrine.
MB

Election is held by non Calvinists also!

 

[Yeshua1]

I dont care if you dont believe me.

Believe in the scriptures, as to deny Gentiles are also the very elect of God is to teach jewish only Christianity!

 

[Brightfame52]

"To put on" means to emulate not steel the election from the Jews. Show me where God elected the Gentiles. What you believe is false In CollsiansPaul was speaking in the synagogue and there is nothing but Jews in a synagogue. Paul was arrested for bringing Gentiles in to the synagogue.
Calvinism is Philosophy not Biblical doctrine.
MB

I dont care if you dont believe Col 3:12. Its plain the gentile believers are addressed as the Elect of God. We know they gentiles from what Paul wrote in Col 1:27

27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

 

[Yeshua1]

I dont care if you dont believe Col 3:12. Its plain the gentile believers are addressed as the Elect of God. We know they gentiles from what Paul wrote in Col 1:27

27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

God saves both Jews and Gentiles by same method, by same Messiah!

 

[MB]

I dont care if you dont believe Col 3:12. Its plain the gentile believers are addressed as the Elect of God. We know they gentiles from what Paul wrote in Col 1:27

27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Just seems to me if Gentiles can be elect and you have no proof then you are wrong. If it isn't in scripture maybe it's in your philosophy. Philosophy is not scripture but some guys idea of how he thinks it should be. Calvinism is a false doctrine, Election is for God's particular Jews. Not all Jews Just some of them.
MB

 

[MB]

Election is held by non Calvinists also!

By non calvinist who came out of Calvinism called Arminians because they began to recognize the deception of Calvinism yet still desired to replace the Jew. Only Jews are elect and you can't prove any different.
MB

 

[Yeshua1]

By non calvinist who came out of Calvinism called Arminians because they began to recognize the deception of Calvinism yet still desired to replace the Jew. Only Jews are elect and you can't prove any different.
MB

what Calvinist stated here that God cannot save Jews? You seem to be saying to us that He only saves Jews!

 

[MB]

Believe in the scriptures, as to deny Gentiles are also the very elect of God is to teach jewish only Christianity!

Your false statement hangs around your neck. Election is not a requirement for Salvation another false assumption by Calvinist. There is only one requirement called faith or belief in the Lord Jesus Christ. You still have not proven you are elect. LOL
MB

 

[MB]

what Calvinist stated here that God cannot save Jews? You seem to be saying to us that He only saves Jews!

You know better than that. Your just trying to change the subject to yet another false claim.
MB

 

[Yeshua1]

Your false statement hangs around your neck. Election is not a requirement for Salvation another false assumption by Calvinist. There is only one requirement called faith or belief in the Lord Jesus Christ. You still have not proven you are elect. LOL
MB

The Lord calls all of His own the elect now in Christ Jesus!

 

[Yeshua1]

You know better than that. Your just trying to change the subject to yet another false claim.
MB

Where do you get that only jews are called the elect?

 

[MB]

Where do you get that only jews are called the elect?

Where do you get that you are elect?

This is the choice God made. Jacob was a Jew; all the elect are related to Jacob.

Rom 9:11 (for they being not yet born, neither having done anything good or evil, that the purpose of God, according to choice, might remain; not of works, but of Him who is calling,) it was said to her—
Rom 9:12 'The greater shall serve the less;'
Rom 9:13 according as it hath been written, 'Jacob I did love, and Esau I did hate.'
MB