The end justifies the means.

[saturneptune]

The core premise, a mistaken premise, is that the Bible teaches it is ok to lie. Actually the Bible teaches the exact opposite. God hates liars.

Yes, Scripture teaches against lying. Your phrase "God hates liars" is simplistic and in error. Since everyone does lie at sometime, does he hate everyone? If He hates everyone, why did He send His Son?

There is a type of person who goes around telling the truth all the time, and uses truth at times to be cruel to others. If I see a girl with buck teeth, it is the truth if I tell her that her teeth look like a donkey's.

 

[Don]

I look at the father of lies, the one who was a liar from the beginning. He comes to do nothing but to steal, kill and destroy, and that is also the goal of his agents.

I also look at the examples of the Egyptian midwives and of Rahab, and also the situations they were in.

These are really the exceptions that prove the rule. One can certainly take it the wrong way as the originator of this thread has done and come away with a perfectly diabolical conclusion that the ends justify the means.

Understood, and thanks for the clarification. And agreed; the OP leads to a conclusion that is a very slippery slope.

 

[Van]

Yes, Scripture teaches against lying. Your phrase "God hates liars" is simplistic and in error. Since everyone does lie at sometime, does he hate everyone? If He hates everyone, why did He send His Son?

There is a type of person who goes around telling the truth all the time, and uses truth at times to be cruel to others. If I see a girl with buck teeth, it is the truth if I tell her that her teeth look like a donkey's.

But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Rev. 21:8

Rather than justifying lying, the Law teaches God hates liars, thus the Law leads us to Christ to obtain mercy from the wrath of God.

All men are liars.

I said in my alarm,
“All men are liars.” Psalm 116:11.

and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life. Rev. 21:27

Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.Rev. 22:15

Let the lying lips be mute,
Which speak arrogantly against the righteous
With pride and contempt. Psalm 31:18

Deliver my soul, O Lord, from lying lips,
From a deceitful tongue.

He who conceals hatred has lying lips,
And he who spreads slander is a fool.

Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord,
But those who deal faithfully are His delight.

There are six things which the Lord hates,
Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:
Haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
And hands that shed innocent blood,
A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that run rapidly to evil,
19 A false witness who utters lies,
And one who spreads strife among brothers. Proverbs 6:16-19

Simplistic folk pick and choose which scripture to follow and nullify whatever does not fit. God demonstrated His love for us while we were yet sinners, which includes lying because all men are liars. The assumption that God cannot both hate the lost because they are liars, and love the lost because upon vessels of wrath God has mercy, is mistaken.

The ends never, never, ever justify the means.

 

[Jope]

Sure they do. Read them.

I'm not going to sit here and repeatedly tell you simple, plain, scriptural facts either.

If you are going to argue that 2 + 2 doesn't equal 4, then don't expect me to argue that it does.

Hey James,

Apologies. I probably could have done this in a less harsh way.

It's something that's been on my mind a lot for a long time, whether or not proverbs 27:5-6 condones this sort of thing.

I certainly don't feel good about our convo, in case you were wondering.