AndyMartin
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"Jesus is very God of very God", is nowhere taught in the Holy Bible.
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The Essential Unity of The Father and Jesus Christ
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"Jesus is very God of very God", is nowhere taught in the Holy Bible.
I answered your question in post #6...long before you asked it. So it was ignorant of you to ask. For the third time, go read post #6
You owe it to yourself and everyone else. Stop ignorong what I've already writren. In other words, stop asking ignorant questions
It's much closer than co-equal and co-eternal, or 3 "persons", whatever you want that to mean
Jesus is just as much God as Yahweh is, as he is Yahweh!
Neither is term Trinity used, but the scriptures describe 3 person equally being God, Father/Jesus/Holy Spirit!
AndyMartin
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But there is a big difference what they teach. "God from God", or "very God from very God", is found in the early "creeds" of the Church, like the Nicaea. However, the terms themselves come from the creed of Caesarea, and the work of Eusebius, an Arian supporting Church historian. Hence, when we read of "from", it is from the Greek preposition, "ἐκ", which was used to denote the origin and derivation of the essential being of Jesus Christ, from God the Father, Who was considered as Fons Deitatis. This makes God the Father to be "unoriginated", and Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit as both "originating" from the Father, as touching their "Deity". This is clear subordinationism.
Well then, according to him, you are a lost person, still in your sins.
You have, after all, denied something that he considers to be very essential to saving faith. how about that?
That is what some teach, such as Dr Grudem, for subordination by itself does not denote being less than God, its just their roles within the truine Godhewad!
Creeds and councils before scripture. Nice
AndyMartin
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Not really, as "subordination" within the Godhead is not anywhere in the Bible
It is implied when Jesus states that he dioes only what Father tells him to say and do, and also in the end, when he turns over His kingdom to the Father, so that the father is all in all, and Paul ALWAYS put the Father first in talking of God and Jesus...
Really?
even though Jesus said he can only do what the Father tells him to do?
Think that was while he was upon the earth at that time though!
It's one of those issues that the Bible does not specifically State. That's one of the reasons I believe there's a difference between equal and co-equal
Do you see Jesus as being God?
AndyMartin
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You are referring to the time of Jesus' Incarnation, during which time His made Himself subordinate to the Father, see Philippians 2:5-11, which is Jesus as the God-Man. But as Almighty God, the Three Persons in the Godhead a 100% coequal, coeternal and coessential.
IF you do deny that Jesus is really equal to God though, you will be lost in your sins!
I agree with that, as I see Him in subordination while here during his incarnation, but that was just for that time!
well, if you would go read post #6, you'll have your answer
Between you and that other clown and me, we could have saved 15 posts, had you simply read what I first wrote