The Eternal Son.

[agedman]

yes remember "paint by the numbers" pictures you could buy at the five and dime and paint?

It seems many brethren have a "paint by the numbers" theology.

There is a difference in one who comprehends something and one who can think conceptually, analyze and discern strengths and weaknesses, and then formulate balanced principles.

Perhaps “political” pressures within a “camp” obliges conformity. This is seen (imo) more often in science related themes but can be certainly shown in theological centers.

The believer should expect to have their perspective changed as they mature in the teachings of the Scripture.

Painting by numbers not only restricts the color selection, but one must stay “in the lines.”

The lines and numbers in a higher thinking skilled person form the parameters and principles that may be engaged to color beyond paint by the numbers.

Just as everything I needed to know to survive may be learned in kindergarten, additional concepts, exposures, experiences migrate into useful service approved by God.

Fear of change and something new is more often met by rejection and fault finding.

 

[HankD]

There is a difference in one who comprehends something and one who can think conceptually, analyze and discern strengths and weaknesses, and then formulate balanced principles.

Perhaps “political” pressures within a “camp” obliges conformity. This is seen (imo) more often in science related themes but can be certainly shown in theological centers.

The believer should expect to have their perspective changed as they mature in the teachings of the Scripture.

Painting by numbers not only restricts the color selection, but one must stay “in the lines.”

The lines and numbers in a higher thinking skilled person form the parameters and principles that may be engaged to color beyond paint by the numbers.

Just as everything I needed to know to survive may be learned in kindergarten, additional concepts, exposures, experiences migrate into useful service approved by God.

Fear of change and something new is more often met by rejection and fault finding.

avoid the restrictive lines and colors by reaching FIRST for the bible/prayer rather than the commentary/systematic theology (although the later has its place).

 

[37818]

Does the immutability of the Divine in being, person, or nature preclude the acquisition of human nature? The Scriptures would answer no.

Immutabity goes with the Persons being God. Truth is immutable, and God is the fundamental source and basis of all truth.

Is not Jesus fully God, fully human? Are the two a mixture? There is nothing divine demanding the human nature be inherently eternal, or anything suggesting it could be without itself being divine.

When the Son of God became man, He never ceased being fully God. How He as the Word was "with God" only changed, never that He was God. The Word was both "with God" and "was God," John 1:1-2. And that is not mixed, it is two distinct things that is aways true about the Word as the Son of God. The Word is God the uncaused Cause, John 1:3. The human nature was never God, Hosea, 11:9, ". . . for I am God, and not man; . . ." The Word who "was God" never changed as God, but only how He was "with God." John 1:2. John 1:14. John 1:10. 1 Timothy 2:5, ". . . For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; . . ." Now in the resurrection Jesus as the man became immutable man, Hebrews 13:8. And when He makes His second appearing, Hebrews 9:28, we will get the same human immutablity to be like Him, 1 John 3:2.

 

[37818]

The immutablity of God is not the same as the immutability of immortality we obtain in the resurrection to be like His Son. And after the Judgement, 1 Corinthians 15:28 in the New Heaven and Earth to come Revelation 21:1.

 

[JonC]

Apologies for missing this one.

This thread will close sometime after 12am EST.

 

[percho]

Colossians 1:13-16
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible,
whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Christ was the Son of God at the time of creation.

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

I have always wondered, yesterday, from when? The day before, when?

Χθὲς — 1x
χθὲς — 2x

 

[percho]

Well, this isn’t meant to attack your health, so don’t wear yourself out. But the impression was that the Athanasian view was also your own.

The answer matters very much in regard to the argument. Unless God has a human nature the way he has a divine nature, in other words always and inherently, then something changed. Saying “Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today, and forever,” does not mean the Logos did not take to himself a human nature and cannot be used to establish an inherent eternal sonship. In fact, the “yesterday” could be intended to refer to the Incarnation.

I think it, yesterday, is post resurrection.

 

[percho]

the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

From/before, let there be light, how was, as of a Lamb/the Lamb going to come about? From/before, let there be light, was woman, a virgin woman going to be necessary relative to the Lamb to be slain? Slain, what was slain from/before, let there be light? From/before where was this virgin woman going to come from? How is the virgin woman going to be the helper fot the man? Who is she going to being into the world?

The Word made flesh? The only begotten.

I shall be who I shall be. Tell them, I shall be, sent you.

I AM.

But whom say ye that I am?
Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

 

[HankD]

I have always wondered, yesterday, from when? The day before, when?

Χθὲς — 1x
χθὲς — 2x

any