God is ALWAYS in politics my friend. Did you think He is just watching and wrenching his hands wondering who will win?
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The Evidence is in....Hillary is not a Christian
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oops replace the word "state" with "county" above just before "in my county".
It's Mason county which is a conservative county on the west side of the Cascades, (especially where I live in the rural low foothills), others - like King and Pierce counties are very liberal.
HankD
Zaac
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I didn't say God wasn't in it. A lot of Christians surely act like He ain't in it.
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The thing is, the lengths CTB goes to, to twist and spin things in order to defend Hillary - one wonders at what point Zaac will ever tell CTB he's making an idol of Hillary and the democrats, and should act more like a Christian?
I think we need to maybe slow down a little bit.
What we can say about Hillary is that to which she has admitted...that a person in the womb has no constitutional rights and can be put to death at anytime while in the womb. Many of us believe that is murder.
But who can know if she is really saved and a Christian or not?
HankD
What we can say about Hillary is that to which she has admitted...that a person in the womb has no constitutional rights and can be put to death at anytime while in the womb. Many of us believe that is murder.
But who can know if she is really saved and a Christian or not?
HankD
I believe that a true conversion experience results in a change in the person's life. There is a lot of Biblical support for that. I have a book called "What Baptists Believe" which was written in 1913 and it strongly supports that belief as does the New Hampshire Confession. In the 1950's a shift began in the Southern Baptist Convention led by Herschel Hobbs towards easy believerism. Many Baptists believe that all that's required to be saved is to come forward and shake the pastor's hand at some point in the distant past without an accompanying change in their life. This is a dangerous and Biblically incorrect belief. This is how you've now arrived at the view that somehow Trump is a Christian. I'll let God be the judge but I view him as an example of someone who has always lived his life for his own personal gain and has never cared about doing anything for anyone else. He might mouth the words but he has lived like an atheist.
Well, have any of us but his closest family lived with him 24/7 these last few months?
Same for Hillary.
We (or at least the apostles) are asked to preach the gospel to all nations. I don't think we need to inquire of anyone's spiritual condition just preach/teach the word and leave the rest to the Holy Spirit.
But, on the other hand you are right, a faith testimony accompanied with works which follow faith is a good thing to know concerning our candidates. We have none for either.
This election - Not the best election by far.
HankD
First I have never made the claim Trump is a Christian. Second you are off topic this is not about Trump it is about Hillary.
Who can know of all our presidents who was born again? I believe Jimmy Carter made that claim.
In any event we should support our next president.
Obviously whoever that will be will present a challenge to Christians of differing views.
Hillary has voiced one opinion that abortion should be rare.
Let's hold her to that opinion.
Trump has promised (via Pence) to overturn Roe vs. Wade.
Let's hold him to that promise.
HankD
In any event we should support our next president.
Obviously whoever that will be will present a challenge to Christians of differing views.
Hillary has voiced one opinion that abortion should be rare.
Let's hold her to that opinion.
Trump has promised (via Pence) to overturn Roe vs. Wade.
Let's hold him to that promise.
HankD
Zaac
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This goes right backto the discussion we had weeks ago.
has anyone has ever shown where Hillary Clinton has advocated for someone to actually "get" an abortion? She has stated that she doesn't believe the government should be involved in the decision, and that if the mother's life is in jeopardy, then she and her family should be able to make the CHOICE.
So if God gave the choice, why do so many keep trying to take it away? That doesn't mean following through on the choice isn't sinful, just like divorce. But He still allows for the choice.
Plus the fact that any of you who think you've got a leg to stand on while actually advocating murder via capital punishment are just as consistent in your hypocrisy as are those Christians who speak against abortion, homosexual everything while supporting a man who is an adulterer, supporter of pornography, gambling, etc.
So personally the just wow seems unwarranted as most of her positions and what she has actually proposed to do seems a lot more aligned with the Jesus Christ of the Bible than does much of anything that's come from the GOP.
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If you don't understand my answer, then I'm not sure I can explain it to you.
Zaac
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I'm not gonna say anything else ITL, but I like that lol.
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Well, I think she is a Christian, but a misguided one. I also think she's wrong on this issue and if she really wanted the government out of "choice", she wouldn't want to make the tax-payers fund PP. Maybe she just wants their money, this is the one thing the left wants the government out of, the only thing.
Got to say, anybody who thinks RvW came from God Himself is crazy - that whole decision was based on lies and everyone knows who is the father of lies.
Got to say, anybody who thinks RvW came from God Himself is crazy - that whole decision was based on lies and everyone knows who is the father of lies.