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The evil of conservative welfare cuts
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The Word Dwells Among Us"
In the poor, in the hope of the unemployed, in the courage of the oppressed, in the presence of each other
The Word Dwells Among Us"
In the poor, in the hope of the unemployed, in the courage of the oppressed, in the presence of each other
That situation is a direct consequence of the policy of buying cheap abroad from third world countries and closing U.K. manufacturing industries.
Jobs with adequate salary, security and prospects aren't available.
And the rich get richer and their excess profits are removed from the economy, so that only employed and pensioners pay a fair share of taxes.
The conservative government is of the rich for the rich so they squeeze the poor - scroungers.
Fair wages and benefits keep the money in the economy, home industry builds the economy. Management for maximum profit destroys the economy.
Jobs with adequate salary, security and prospects aren't available.
And the rich get richer and their excess profits are removed from the economy, so that only employed and pensioners pay a fair share of taxes.
The conservative government is of the rich for the rich so they squeeze the poor - scroungers.
Fair wages and benefits keep the money in the economy, home industry builds the economy. Management for maximum profit destroys the economy.
Who determines a "Fair Wage"?
and if people think a CEO makes too much money - then why dont they go our and start their own business?
Do they have something like Social Security Disability in the UK? If the person can work, he is better off in the long run working. Throw out the globalist policies--they only benefit the few. Give working people and corporations a tax cut. Get rid of government programs right and left. If all else fails, go to a rescue mission. Close UK borders to immigrants. Tell the socialists to move to Germany and get big welfare there.
Disability welfare has been cut, with particular reference to people being declared fit to work when they medically are not. If you get rid of what remains of givernment assistance for people who cannot work, private charitable provision is woefully inadequate and we will return to the state of affairs depicted in Dickens' novels, a prospect which I as a Christian cannot countenance.
In the USA, this goes to the lawyers and courts. For example, a person with terminal illness might apply for Social Security Disability and be denied--the lawyers in this country always want a cut. Generally, a lawyer can get the disability approved if there is medical evidence to support the claim. It depends upon the judge sometimes. Then there are various housing subsidies, utilities assistance programs, and perhaps food stamps in a few cases. If the person has to go to the nursing home, the disability check is given over and the nursing home takes care of other benefits for the patients. Medical welfare called Medicaid is usually granted automatically so the safety net is extensive and generous in this country.
Welfare issues will quickly take a back seat as the American economy is beginning a boom except for the massive debt, which the Democrats doubled in eight years, and except for a military build-up for a possible war with North Korea/China.
The UK needs to stop immigration. Do you need that much cheap labor? In this country, the rich want cheap labor so they can have servants like the British aristocracy.
This story exemplifies the problem with any government run health or welfare system.
The guy's doctors said he could not work. A government bureaucrat said he could.
Benefits cut off.
Didn't know that 40 percent of single parents in UK do not work. Interesting.
Also did not know the UK has one of the highest rates of workless households in Europe, with 1.9 million children living in homes where no-one has a job.
Sounds like a problem that needs to be addressed. Also looks like the whole system was simply unsustainable and changes were made to try to help with that.
Wonder how many Brits would be willing to pay higher taxes to sustain it the way it was?
The guy's doctors said he could not work. A government bureaucrat said he could.
Benefits cut off.
Didn't know that 40 percent of single parents in UK do not work. Interesting.
Also did not know the UK has one of the highest rates of workless households in Europe, with 1.9 million children living in homes where no-one has a job.
Sounds like a problem that needs to be addressed. Also looks like the whole system was simply unsustainable and changes were made to try to help with that.
Wonder how many Brits would be willing to pay higher taxes to sustain it the way it was?
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I was and remain so. And we need immigration: we have an ageing population with inadequate numbers of younger people to sustain them; the immigrants tend to be young and fit plus generally hard-working, so the economic case for them is pretty strong.
From what I have seen of your immigrant situation, especially the muslims, they are a huge drain on your welfare state and are not hard working at all.
Employment and Welfare
Welfare Claims
8. Large amounts are paid out to EEA nationals in state benefits. In 2014/15 a total of £4.4 billion was paid in working age benefits (primarily tax credits, child benefit and housing benefit). This bill may well now have risen further, as since free movement was fully extended to nationals of Romania and Bulgaria, the number of immigrants from these two countries working in the UK has increased by over 200,000.
9. It is often said that immigrants pay more in tax than they claim in benefits. Narrowly, that is true, as it is also true for the UK-born population. But this is to ignore the extent to which tax raised has also to be spent on services consumed by the immigrant population including health, and education and additional infrastructure required. These elements must be included to give the overall fiscal balance, as the UK continues to run a budget deficit. In 2014 the net fiscal cost of all migrants in the UK might have been as much as £17 billion, and whereas the working-age UK-born population was in fiscal credit, the working-age immigrant population was not. (For more on this see our Economics overview here).
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With what resources? Let them eat cake right
You can have ours Matthew... Trump not only deports people who sneak in the back door, he also deports people with work papers and Christians fleeing Muslim countries. Now whose going to clean the fish?!?
Cast your mind back to 1066 - the Norman conquest - the Norman barons took vast tracts of land & imposed serfdom on the population. The British became peasants working for foreigners.
Military might stayed with the barons & the RCC exerted religious control & demanded labour & tithes. A peasants' revolt was defeated - 1381.
The Reformation did not help the peasants - king Henry used his desire for a divorce to make himself head of the church, & as a result monasteries were destroyed, & their wealth & lands taken over by the king & various landowners - 1536-41. The peasants did not benefit - the monastries were major employers & the result was a generation of "sturdy beggars" fit to work but without land to work on.
The civil war - 1640-46 - broke the power of the king but again provided no benefit to the peasants who having fought on the parliament side wanted a share of the captured estates. The "Levellers" were driven off their attempts to squat & run communal farms. Many were pressed into the army & sent to Ireland to suppress the RCs there. The legacy of hatred continues today.
Protests took over the Irish lands & suppressed the RC population. Desperate famines -1845 - resulted in mass emigration to the US.
In England the various "enclosure acts" resulted in common land being taken over by the landowners for non-food purposes, leading to further poverty -
By the late 1800s various political-socialist-liberal movements were set up to try to get a measure of stability - a powerful rallying cry was "Three acres & a cow" claiming that if the unproductive great estates were divided, there would be plenty for all. Otherwise if you couldn't work for any reason, only the workhouse was available. Elderly couples could not grow old together - men, women & children were separated.
Then came WW1, the inter war depression & WW2.
The popular post war vote went to the Labour party who with wise use of the limited resources were able to set up the National Health Service, free education, grants for university students, with tuition fees paid, with industries being nationalised, so profits were kept in the country & employment & funds from taxation were adequate for the national needs.
Even the Conservatives fought elections with the slogan "you've never had it so good."
Thatcher came to power - 1979 - & set about destroying all that had been achieved, selling off the country's assets. That is the cause of the present crisis. The post war redistribution of wealth has been reversed.
Military might stayed with the barons & the RCC exerted religious control & demanded labour & tithes. A peasants' revolt was defeated - 1381.
The Reformation did not help the peasants - king Henry used his desire for a divorce to make himself head of the church, & as a result monasteries were destroyed, & their wealth & lands taken over by the king & various landowners - 1536-41. The peasants did not benefit - the monastries were major employers & the result was a generation of "sturdy beggars" fit to work but without land to work on.
The civil war - 1640-46 - broke the power of the king but again provided no benefit to the peasants who having fought on the parliament side wanted a share of the captured estates. The "Levellers" were driven off their attempts to squat & run communal farms. Many were pressed into the army & sent to Ireland to suppress the RCs there. The legacy of hatred continues today.
Protests took over the Irish lands & suppressed the RC population. Desperate famines -1845 - resulted in mass emigration to the US.
In England the various "enclosure acts" resulted in common land being taken over by the landowners for non-food purposes, leading to further poverty -
They hang the man & flog the woman
who steals the goose from off the common,
but leave the greater villain loose,
who steals the common from the goose.
Vast numbers of destitute peasants were transported as criminals to the colonies for minor offences such as "stealing" wild animals & birds from the landowners. Some industries were established, bringing peasants off the land into slum districts, weaving, spinning, mining, & the great industries - railways & & iron & steel. Soldiers & sailors were always needed, but such occupations were not secure. who steals the goose from off the common,
but leave the greater villain loose,
who steals the common from the goose.
By the late 1800s various political-socialist-liberal movements were set up to try to get a measure of stability - a powerful rallying cry was "Three acres & a cow" claiming that if the unproductive great estates were divided, there would be plenty for all. Otherwise if you couldn't work for any reason, only the workhouse was available. Elderly couples could not grow old together - men, women & children were separated.
Then came WW1, the inter war depression & WW2.
The popular post war vote went to the Labour party who with wise use of the limited resources were able to set up the National Health Service, free education, grants for university students, with tuition fees paid, with industries being nationalised, so profits were kept in the country & employment & funds from taxation were adequate for the national needs.
Even the Conservatives fought elections with the slogan "you've never had it so good."
Thatcher came to power - 1979 - & set about destroying all that had been achieved, selling off the country's assets. That is the cause of the present crisis. The post war redistribution of wealth has been reversed.
Does the UK even have the ability to stop Islamic imigrants? Why don't the Brits encourage people to move to Germany where there is work and money to fund socialism? The Brits sound like Jerry Brown in their preference for foreigners to their own.
May add the French Revolution to the dialog? What were the repercussions of that little labor agenda. People (including Louis the King) lost their heads!
To what extent have immigrants with an alien language & religion taken over America? As happened in England.
Brexit is fouling up everything here at present - a small majority voted to leave the EU on very dubious grounds, & zero reliable information.
I don't know Jerry Brown.
But let me remind everyone that the United States is a nation of immigrants and that we are not a monarchy....nor are we a dictatorship. We are a Republic with a constitution (Thank God).
Not at all however like many who come in illegally, they can & sometimes do become lawless & that concerns the established population
Jerry Brown is a very liberal Governor of California....aka Governor Moonbeam.
Now if I could only find someone of my neighbors in New Jersey who is a pure breed anything (referring to people) I would be surprised. My own linage is mixed & so is my wife's, which makes most Americans today "mutts" if I may use that language here,
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May add the French Revolution to the dialog? What were the repercussions of that little labor agenda. People (including Louis the King) lost their heads!
I don't think anarchy & the reign of terror is true socialism. Nor is Stalinist totallitarian communism.
And, of course, the US prosperity was built on unwilling "immigrant" slave labour & appropriation of the lands & resources of the indigenous population.
It was the Brits who allowed slavery in the colonies.
I guess that the UK has to allow immigration.
Germany seems to have won the economic war in that they seem to be richer than the UK.