The evil of conservative welfare cuts

[Rob_BW]

Cast your mind back to 1066 - the Norman conquest - the Norman barons took vast tracts of land & imposed serfdom on the population. The British became peasants working for foreigners.
Military might stayed with the barons & the RCC exerted religious control & demanded labour & tithes. A peasants' revolt was defeated - 1381.
The Reformation did not help the peasants - king Henry used his desire for a divorce to make himself head of the church, & as a result monasteries were destroyed, & their wealth & lands taken over by the king & various landowners - 1536-41. The peasants did not benefit - the monastries were major employers & the result was a generation of "sturdy beggars" fit to work but without land to work on.
The civil war - 1640-46 - broke the power of the king but again provided no benefit to the peasants who having fought on the parliament side wanted a share of the captured estates. The "Levellers" were driven off their attempts to squat & run communal farms. Many were pressed into the army & sent to Ireland to suppress the RCs there. The legacy of hatred continues today.
Protests took over the Irish lands & suppressed the RC population. Desperate famines -1845 - resulted in mass emigration to the US.
In England the various "enclosure acts" resulted in common land being taken over by the landowners for non-food purposes, leading to further poverty -

They hang the man & flog the woman
who steals the goose from off the common,
but leave the greater villain loose,
who steals the common from the goose.​

Vast numbers of destitute peasants were transported as criminals to the colonies for minor offences such as "stealing" wild animals & birds from the landowners. Some industries were established, bringing peasants off the land into slum districts, weaving, spinning, mining, & the great industries - railways & & iron & steel. Soldiers & sailors were always needed, but such occupations were not secure.
By the late 1800s various political-socialist-liberal movements were set up to try to get a measure of stability - a powerful rallying cry was "Three acres & a cow" claiming that if the unproductive great estates were divided, there would be plenty for all. Otherwise if you couldn't work for any reason, only the workhouse was available. Elderly couples could not grow old together - men, women & children were separated.
Then came WW1, the inter war depression & WW2.
The popular post war vote went to the Labour party who with wise use of the limited resources were able to set up the National Health Service, free education, grants for university students, with tuition fees paid, with industries being nationalised, so profits were kept in the country & employment & funds from taxation were adequate for the national needs.
Even the Conservatives fought elections with the slogan "you've never had it so good."
Thatcher came to power - 1979 - & set about destroying all that had been achieved, selling off the country's assets. That is the cause of the present crisis. The post war redistribution of wealth has been reversed.

You left out the impetus for the Peasant's Revolt. 1348-50, the Black Death ravages England, with the loss of life/labor resulting in increased wages. Which the landowning class and government fought with wage control laws.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I don't think anarchy & the reign of terror is true socialism. Nor is Stalinist totallitarian communism.

And, of course, the US prosperity was built on unwilling "immigrant" slave labor & appropriation of the lands & resources of the indigenous population.

If we look at communism in its truest form (Marxism) we could see that its not good for Christians....nor is it good for anyone. To be blunt, Marx was a bourgeois, someone who never had to work for a living. This genius was against profits....except for an elite elected by himself. As for others, he was violently against profits, alleging they're the source of exploitation and all human misery. Marx always had tremendous respect for the aristocracy and inherited wealth but a demon to new wealth who made the money the old fashioned way( in industry). So bottom line, Marx would prohibit profits on anything....all would belong to the proletariat, but in his corrupt heart he meant the State, of which he and his kind would be the masters. What a tyranny that would be! He and the aristocracy, together!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

It was the Brits who allowed slavery in the colonies.

I guess that the UK has to allow immigration.

Germany seems to have won the economic war in that they seem to be richer than the UK.

Yea, after WW2 we plowed money into the rebuilding of Germany (and Japan) and pretty much let the UK fend for itself.... nice thing to do to a proud people who for a while there were the sole bulk-work between Nazi dictatorship & us.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

BTW, Germany would not allow Donny's Grand-pappy back into the land of the Hun. wonder why?

 

[church mouse guy]

BTW, Germany would not allow Donny's Grand-pappy back into the land of the Hun. wonder why?

The Germans are enthralled by the saintly Obama--the UK doesn't want Trump around either. So those two countries are now real old world peas in a pod. They both hate us, especially the deplorables among us who hold Fundamentalist Christian views. Only Eastern Europeans seem to like Fundamentalists and deplorables. Neither German nor UK will be much help if China forces us to destroy North Korean nuclear capability. Expect only criticism from the Never-Trump Brits, especially if they continue to follow Germany's lead on allowing Islamic immigrants to make their cities like the pit called Dearborn, Michigan. Merkel lost a lot of seats but she still managed to keep her job, and she has no use for the USA.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The Germans are enthralled by the saintly Obama--the UK doesn't want Trump around either. So those two countries are now real old world peas in a pod. They both hate us, especially the deplorables among us who hold Fundamentalist Christian views. Only Eastern Europeans seem to like Fundamentalists and deplorables. Neither German nor UK will be much help if China forces us to destroy North Korean nuclear capability. Expect only criticism from the Never-Trump Brits, especially if they continue to follow Germany's lead on allowing Islamic immigrants to make their cities like the pit called Dearborn, Michigan. Merkel lost a lot of seats but she still managed to keep her job, and she has no use for the USA.

Hmmm I haven't spent much time worrying about Europe, my family spent too much time trying to get out, encourage the family to only speak English, rebuild a better life etc., but I appreciate your explanation. I will have to spend time studying their agendas.

 

[777]

You're losing everything - but you don’t understand why

Couldn't stop reading it, talk about a hard luck tale - this guy managed to fall into every crack in the new UC, which IIRC, was suppose to streamline and simplify the British safety net.

Some of this has already been corrected:

Universal credit helpline charges to be scrapped

that was just stupid, couldn't the bureaucrats there see it coming? The wait times between payments is just killer:

PM will not reduce six-week wait for universal credit despite MPs’ warnings

Maybe it's time for them to reform the reform.

 

[church mouse guy]

The British Labour Party is called the new home of British Jew-hatred as their leader Jeremy Corbyn is a radical anti-Zionist. Labour is allied with Islam and panders to Islamic hatred of Jews and Christians.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Who determines a "Fair Wage"?

and if people think a CEO makes too much money - then why dont they go our and start their own business?

Why aren't you wealthy? Maybe you are to ask a question like that. Everyone is not suited to9 start their own business and most start-ups fail. The middle class in America is dying due to inequality. Want to do something about that? It's actually the result of unregulated capitalism. We've living in Dickens' England right now. In an environment when Scrooge said in response to a request give to the poor at Christmas, "We still have work houses don't we?" We have work houses in the U.S. now too. Someone gets arrested for a minor crime (not paying parking tickets for example), can't pay the fine and is sent to prison. Scrooge said that's not my business. The ghost of Christmas present (or his former partner) said mankind is your business.

 

[Covenanter]

The British Labour Party is called the new home of British Jew-hatred as their leader Jeremy Corbyn is a radical anti-Zionist. Labour is allied with Islam and panders to Islamic hatred of Jews and Christians.

I joined the Labour party 2 years ago, because Jeremy Corbyn has such constructive policies. I'd never joined a party before, & tended to vote Green party as I couldn't support either Conservative or Blairite Labour.

Labour is no more allied to Islam than other parties apart from the rabid "Britain First" loved & tweeted by Trump. Nor is it antisemitic in the normal sense of the word. Objecting to the state of Israel & its persecution of Palestinians is NOT antisemitic. Even CUFI don't go that far.

“Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”

To guide IHRA in its work, the following examples may serve as illustrations:

Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that levelled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for “why things go wrong.” It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits.

 

[Salty]

Why aren't you wealthy? Maybe you are to ask a question like that. Everyone is not suited to9 start their own business and most start-ups fail. The middle class in America is dying due to inequality. Want to do something about that? It's actually the result of unregulated capitalism. We've living in Dickens' England right now. In an environment when Scrooge said in response to a request give to the poor at Christmas, "We still have work houses don't we?" We have work houses in the U.S. now too. Someone gets arrested for a minor crime (not paying parking tickets for example), can't pay the fine and is sent to prison. Scrooge said that's not my business. The ghost of Christmas present (or his former partner) said mankind is your business.

I can assure you I am NOT wealthy.
You state that not every one is suited to start a business and many fail.
You are absolutely correct! Now, the individual who has started a successful has
often invested a lot of money and time into that business - and therefore should reap the benefits
of his hard work. A business owner has no 40 hour week. He may be working 50,60 even 80 hours a week. May be hard for him to take a simple vacation...
Employees - on the other hand - many insist on their 15 minute breaks - often use working hours for
personal business - expect a day off for whatever reason. ect, ect.
Many workers do not understand what an employer has to go thur.
First just get several business licenses -

Much more to say - but you get the ideal.


Now, a little bit about me.
I am not semi-retied - work 2 days a week at a store - 8 working hours a day. I take no breaks, other than
my non-paid lunch hour.
I am also self employed - I sell air time for a Christian Radio station and I teach a monthly driving class.
and I mentioned before - I am nowhere being rich.

 

[Matt Black]

From what I have seen of your immigrant situation, especially the muslims, they are a huge drain on your welfare state and are not hard working at all.




Employment and Welfare

Welfare Claims
8. Large amounts are paid out to EEA nationals in state benefits. In 2014/15 a total of £4.4 billion was paid in working age benefits (primarily tax credits, child benefit and housing benefit). This bill may well now have risen further, as since free movement was fully extended to nationals of Romania and Bulgaria, the number of immigrants from these two countries working in the UK has increased by over 200,000.

9. It is often said that immigrants pay more in tax than they claim in benefits. Narrowly, that is true, as it is also true for the UK-born population. But this is to ignore the extent to which tax raised has also to be spent on services consumed by the immigrant population including health, and education and additional infrastructure required. These elements must be included to give the overall fiscal balance, as the UK continues to run a budget deficit. In 2014 the net fiscal cost of all migrants in the UK might have been as much as £17 billion, and whereas the working-age UK-born population was in fiscal credit, the working-age immigrant population was not. (For more on this see our Economics overview here).

18 December, 2017

If you don't like our laws you should get out of our country, Britain First leaders told

 

[FollowTheWay]

I can assure you I am NOT wealthy.
You state that not every one is suited to start a business and many fail.
You are absolutely correct! Now, the individual who has started a successful has
often invested a lot of money and time into that business - and therefore should reap the benefits
of his hard work. A business owner has no 40 hour week. He may be working 50,60 even 80 hours a week. May be hard for him to take a simple vacation...
Employees - on the other hand - many insist on their 15 minute breaks - often use working hours for
personal business - expect a day off for whatever reason. ect, ect.
Many workers do not understand what an employer has to go thur.
First just get several business licenses -

Much more to say - but you get the ideal.


Now, a little bit about me.
I am not semi-retied - work 2 days a week at a store - 8 working hours a day. I take no breaks, other than
my non-paid lunch hour.
I am also self employed - I sell air time for a Christian Radio station and I teach a monthly driving class.
and I mentioned before - I am nowhere being rich.

I worked as an engineer for 40 years, 38 of which were at a telecommunications company related companies. I was laid off in 2016 and decided to just retire since I was 66, turning 67 in 3 months. I find it insulting to characterize people like me who worked for corporations as you did. Get over whatever it is that is bugging you. I have lots of things that bug me too but try to deal with them.

 

[church mouse guy]

I joined the Labour party 2 years ago, because Jeremy Corbyn has such constructive policies. I'd never joined a party before, & tended to vote Green party as I couldn't support either Conservative or Blairite Labour.

Labour is no more allied to Islam than other parties apart from the rabid "Britain First" loved & tweeted by Trump. Nor is it antisemitic in the normal sense of the word. Objecting to the state of Israel & its persecution of Palestinians is NOT antisemitic. Even CUFI don't go that far.

Corbyn hates Jews. The Labour Party needs to dump him. Even the BBC, uber leftist, says that there is a rise of attacks on Jews in the UK. Clearly, the political home for that is the Labour Party. Anti-Israel is just the basis for the new attacks. Corbyn said that Hamas and Hezbollah were his friends. As for the Labour Party, they acted the same under Bevin and they seek the votes of UK Islamists with their Jew-hatred rhetoric.

 

[Matt Black]

The BBC, uber-leftist?

 

[Covenanter]

Corbyn hates Jews. The Labour Party needs to dump him. Even the BBC, uber leftist, says that there is a rise of attacks on Jews in the UK. Clearly, the political home for that is the Labour Party. Anti-Israel is just the basis for the new attacks. Corbyn said that Hamas and Hezbollah were his friends. As for the Labour Party, they acted the same under Bevin and they seek the votes of UK Islamists with their Jew-hatred rhetoric.

Where is the ABSOLUTE RUBBISH rating?

 

[church mouse guy]

The number of anti-Semitic attacks recorded in the United Kingdom rose slightly in 2017, marking a new record for the second straight year, but saw a significant gain in violent assaults.

Anti-Semitic incidents in Britain hit record high for second consecutive year

“This is about free speech, the freedom to criticise and to discuss every issue, whether it’s the Holocaust: yes or no, Palestine, the liberation, the whole spectrum. There should be no limits on the discussion.”

The Daily Mail quoted him saying: “It’s about the limits of tolerance: we don’t invite the Nazis and give them an hour to explain why they are right; we do not invite apartheid South Africa racists to explain why apartheid was good for the blacks; and in the same way we do not invite Zionists – it’s a very similar kind of thing.”

Mik0 Peled at a Labour Party meeting.

Labour fringe speaker's Holocaust remarks spark new antisemitism row


Jeremy Corbyn has told MPs investigating accusations of antisemitism in the Labour party that he regrets once calling members of Hamas and Hezbollah “friends”.

Giving evidence at the home affairs select committee on Monday, the Labour leader said that he had used the phrase to describe the militant groups during a meeting in parliament in 2009.

Jeremy Corbyn says he regrets calling Hamas and Hezbollah 'friends'

 

[Matt Black]

You're conflating anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism; they are two quite different things (you might as well conflate being anti-KKK with being anti-white southerners). And if you believe what you read in the Daily Mail, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you...

 

[church mouse guy]

You're conflating anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism; they are two quite different things (you might as well conflate being anti-KKK with being anti-white southerners). And if you believe what you read in the Daily Mail, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you...

Sorry, but if you say that Israel is an apartheid state that you are engaging in anti-Semitic speech no matter who reports it. No one has denied that the quotation is accurate, just that they didn't like the source of the quotation. At any rate, Labour is not going to be able to move the needle until they dump Jeremy Corbyn, who is a public relations disaster for the British left. Labour has a long history of Jewish hatred and a refusal to throw out their leftist extremists who display their open hatred of Jews/Israel. If you say that Hamas and Hezbollah are your friends, you are very naïve.

 

[Matt Black]

No, it's not anti-Semitic to call Israel an apartheid state...because it is, denying some of those within its boundaries basic property rights under the Rule of Law based solely on their race, just like South Africa did until 1994. Imagine if an American group decided to set up a state in the US based on race alone (you can pick the KKK or the Black Panthers, I'm not choosy) - what an outcry there would be! There are many Jews who are critical of this policy - I suppose they are anti-Semitic in your world-view, LOL!

If Corbyn is such a disaster, how come the Labour share of the vote rose under him in the last general election?