The False Compassion Of Liberalism

[carpro]

I'm with you until that last part. Sometimes the ends do justify the means, in fact, I would say in most cases they do. A bomb in Japan a good example.

Depends on what the end game is. In your example, it's to end a war and save lives.

To liberals, If the end game is killing babies in the womb, anything goes. And I mean anything.
Does the end in that case justify the means used to get their way?

I think you'll agree it doesn't.

 

[Calminian]

Depends on what the end game is. In your example, it's to end a war and save lives.

To liberals, If the end game is killing babies in the womb, anything goes. And I mean anything.
Does the end in that case justify the means used to get their way?

I think you'll agree it doesn't.

The ends do not always justify the means. I'm just saying it's a fallacy that the ends never justify the means. Sometimes they do. And sometimes the ends condemn avoiding the means.

 

[FollowTheWay]

The Bible, or Christ never mentioned health insurance. I don't mind the insurance industry, but you're speaking of it as if it's biblical. It is not, and it's not the most efficient use of funds, especially if the government is involved.

There are a lot of things that are common today that were never mentioned in the Bible. I don't think insurance existed in Biblical times. Neither did automobiles, airplanes, fast food, nuclear weapons or even guns, democracies, the printing press, and on and on. I'm talking about the use of a modern-day method to meet the Biblical objective of helping the poor.

 

[FollowTheWay]

I believe in labels to an extent. They help the dialog in many cases. You can almost predict perfectly what a person will back based on the labels ascribed to them.

That said, please help me to be accurate about what you believe. Give me some conservatives beliefs you hold, so I can judge more properly.

I think I deserve a label. I think I'm a politically conservative Christian. I don't mind the label at all. I'm also a Trump supporter. No problem with that label either.

And it's common for liberals, even media liberals, to resist the liberal label. They call us right-wingers all the time, but object to being called left-wingers. I don't see what the bid deal is. There is the religious right and the religious left.

And yes, the Church has often failed the people. The modern Church today is struggling badly with political liberalism, among other things. Many turned their backs on the unborn this election cycle. I have no problem admitting the Church failed kidnapped Africans back in the day, but I do give them credit for heading up the abolitionist movement. They went back to the Bible.

The true Church does not concern itself with politics. Moral issues yes.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Depends on what the end game is. In your example, it's to end a war and save lives.

To liberals, If the end game is killing babies in the womb, anything goes. And I mean anything.
Does the end in that case justify the means used to get their way?

I think you'll agree it doesn't.

I think you're classifying everyone who is not a Republican as a liberal, right? That's not true and everyone who does not share all of you views does not believe in large-scale abortion. I don't believe in abortion but neither do I believe in killing the needy by not providing them with health care.

 

[Calminian]

....I'm talking about the use of a modern-day method to meet the Biblical objective of helping the poor.

It's called charity, and the more government involvement, the less charity you have.

 

[FollowTheWay]

It's called charity, and the more government involvement, the less charity you have.

It's called your priorities. If you favor spending more money on war rather than helping the poor. I say the Christian view is the opposite.

 

[carpro]

I think you're classifying everyone who is not a Republican as a liberal, right? That's not true and everyone who does not share all of you views does not believe in large-scale abortion. I don't believe in abortion but neither do I believe in killing the needy by not providing them with health care.

Wrong. There are also liberal republicans and some conservative democrats. There are also liberals and conservatives who are members of no party.

Bottom line is, that if you vote for and support candidates who call for abortion on command paid for by tax dollars, you might as well put your name on the believe in killing babies list. You label yourself as a liberal.

But since you equate killing babies in the womb with not providing free healthcare to healthy able bodied people, maybe you could provide some statistics about the number of people who specifically died because they did not have your version of "health care" that compares to the millions of lives taken by abortion.

I'll be waiting.

 

[Calminian]

It's called your priorities. If you favor spending more money on war rather than helping the poor. I say the Christian view is the opposite.

The two are not mutually exclusive. If you don't protect your homeland, you can be attacked and create more poor destitute people then you've ever had before. And it would be the fault of those opposing military spending.

So yes, because I love people and care about their condition, financial and otherwise, I want the government to spend money on the military. It's the compassionate thing to do.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Wrong. There are also liberal republicans and some conservative democrats. There are also liberals and conservatives who are members of no party.

Bottom line is, that if you vote for and support candidates who call for abortion on command paid for by tax dollars, you might as well put your name on the believe in killing babies list. You label yourself as a liberal.

But since you equate killing babies in the womb with not providing free healthcare to healthy able bodied people, maybe you could provide some statistics about the number of people who specifically died because they did not have your version of "health care" that compares to the millions of lives taken by abortion.

I'll be waiting.

This is about the 10th time I've been misrepresented here as supporting wide-scale abortion. The Trump approach is to keep telling a lie so many times people begin to accept it as the truth. Congratulations (?) you've learned that.

 

[FollowTheWay]

It's been 45 years and counting for the Republicans to change the Republican Supreme Court Roe vs. Wade decision. Nothing much done in 45 years. When will they correct their mistake? I'm waiting.

 

[carpro]

This is about the 10th time I've been misrepresented here as supporting wide-scale abortion.

Get a grip.

No one has represented you as anything. You do understand what the word "IF" means don't you.

" ...if you vote for and support candidates who call for abortion on command paid for by tax dollars, you might as well put your name on the believe in killing babies list. You label yourself as a liberal."

So, the real question is what have you labeled yourself?

 

[Calminian]

This is about the 10th time I've been misrepresented here as supporting wide-scale abortion. The Trump approach is to keep telling a lie so many times people begin to accept it as the truth. Congratulations (?) you've learned that.

According to your own posts, you are pro-abortion. You support pro-abotion candidates, and you fight anti-abortion candidates. To conclude anything else from your posts would be illogical.

 

[Calminian]

It's been 45 years and counting for the Republicans to change the Republican Supreme Court Roe vs. Wade decision. Nothing much done in 45 years. When will they correct their mistake? I'm waiting.

As long as people like you fight the pro-life agenda, it'll take some time. I'm not going to fault Republicans for trying. I am going to fault you for turning your back on the unborn and fighting progress at every turn.

 

[Revmitchell]

This is about the 10th time I've been misrepresented here as supporting wide-scale abortion. The Trump approach is to keep telling a lie so many times people begin to accept it as the truth. Congratulations (?) you've learned that.

Uh no that is the extreme far left's approach.

 

[Revmitchell]

People need to meet their own needs. No society can survive when the majority of its members must constantly obtain help to survive themselves. Rather than using the government to enslave people through the collection of taxes for the purposes of giving to those who did not work for it why not search and find a non government way of helping people to be self sufficient rather than enabling the lack of it.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Uh no that is the extreme far left's approach.

I would expect better from "a minister." You continue to call me a liar. I reject that and I reject your "religion."

 

[InTheLight]

It's been 45 years and counting for the Republicans to change the Republican Supreme Court Roe vs. Wade decision. Nothing much done in 45 years. When will they correct their mistake? I'm waiting.

Irony meter breaks.

Neil Gorsuch was confirmed by the Senate today.

I think they are doing something about it.

 

[InTheLight]

It's called your priorities. If you favor spending more money on war rather than helping the poor. I say the Christian view is the opposite.

Let's stop giving Planned Parenthood $550M a year. That money would buy the salaries of 10,000 elementary school teachers for 10 years.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Let's stop giving Planned Parenthood $550M a year. That money would buy the salaries of 10,000 elementary school teachers for 10 years.

But Trump's new Sec. of Education wants to shut down public education.