The False Doctrine of Purgatory

[Hobie]

We have this from the Roman Catholic Church....
'III. THE FINAL PURIFICATION, OR PURGATORY
1030 All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.
1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned.606 The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:607

As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come.608
1032 This teaching is also based on the practice of prayer for the dead, already mentioned in Sacred Scripture: "Therefore [Judas Maccabeus] made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin."609 From the beginning the Church has honored the memory of the dead and offered prayers in suffrage for them, above all the Eucharistic sacrifice, so that, thus purified, they may attain the beatific vision of God.610 The Church also commends almsgiving, indulgences, and works of penance undertaken on behalf of the dead:

Let us help and commemorate them. If Job's sons were purified by their father's sacrifice, why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them.611'
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P2N.HTM

This is one of the false doctrines that led Martin Luther to take a stand against the Papacy. Purgatory as a doctrine teaches that a Christian's soul must burn in purgatory after death until all of their sins have been purged. To speed up the purging process, money could be paid to a priest so he could pray and have special masses for an earlier release, and much money was made with this doctrine. Purgatory is given as a way that no matter how sinful or unbelieving, when you die, you go to Purgatory and get things sorted out and finally get to heaven, so no acceptance of Christ is needed, you can buy your way in. But is it in the Bible, if you look it doesn’t show, so where did it come from. It comes as no surprise to see it is a corrupt pagan doctrine, which was allowed into the church.

This pagan idea began creeping into the church around the end of the sixth century, and it has no scriptural support. In fact, Jesus warned us about this pagan practice in Matthew 23:14 when He spoke of those who devoured widows houses and made long prayers for a pretence. Psalm 49:6-7 tells us that a person couldn't redeem a loved one, even if such a place did exist: "They that trust in their wealth, and boast themselves in the multitude of their riches; None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:"

Peter addresses this issue in Acts 8:20 when he says, "Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money." God's word is clearly against the doctrine of purgatory.

 

[Hobie]

The Greeks, as well as aspects into it by the Egyptians before them, created myths of the afterlife which spread throughout the Hellenistic world, and even into words which were used when the Hebrew text was translated into the Greek. Scripture clearly rejects the Greek notion of the immortality of the soul disembodied from the here and now as spirit beings, and early Christians affirmed the resurrection of the body just as Lazuras was resurrected by Christ. So there is no place for a underworld depicted in Greek myths or place of cleansing by fire such as purgotary where spirit beings are left till they are ready to be reunited with God, it comes from other origins which we shall see.

Purgatory as a transitional condition has from many sources, a origin from the pagan belief of caring for the dead and praying for them, and to the belief that prayer for the dead contributed to their afterlife purification. Pagan tradition created this place of purgatory which leaves hope after death for the wicked, who, at the time of their death, are unrepentant and cling to their love of sin.

In Egypt, substantially the same doctrine of purgatory was taught as in modern times and its priests created grand funerals and masses for the dead, along with celebration of prayer and other services for the soul of the dead. The priest who officiated at the burial service was selected from the grade of Pontiffs who wore the leopard skin; but various other rites were performed by one of the minor priests to the mummies, previous to their being lowered into the pit of the tomb after that ceremony. They practiced elaborate ceremonies to prepare the pharaohs for their next life, constructing massive pyramids and other elaborate tombs filled with luxuries the deceased were supposed to need in the hereafter. The famous Book of the Dead, a collection of ancient Egyptian funerary and ritual texts, describes in great detail how to meet the challenges of the afterlife. The pagan Egyptian belief was when the body died, parts of its soul known as ka (body double) and the ba (personality) would go to the Kingdom of the Dead. While the soul dwelt in the Fields of Aaru, Osiris demanded work as restitution for the protection he provided. Statues were placed in the tombs to serve as substitutes for the deceased.

The Egyptian belief in the immortality of the soul existed centuries before Judaism, Hellenism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, and Islam. According to Herodotus, eventually the Greeks adopted from the Egyptians the belief in the immortality of the soul. He wrote: “The Egyptians also were the first who asserted the doctrine that the soul of man is immortal . . . This opinion, some among the Greeks have at different periods of time adopted as their own.” The Greek philosopher Socrates (470-399 B. C.) traveled to Egypt to consult the Egyptians on their teachings on the immortality of the soul.Upon his return to Greece, he imparted this teaching to his most famous pupil, Plato.......

In Greece the doctrine of a purgatory was spread through the Greek mystery religions and even was spoken by one of its major philosophers. Plato, speaking of the future judgment of the dead, holds out the hope of final deliverance for all, but maintains that, of "those who are judged," some must first "proceed to a subterranean place of judgment, where they shall sustain the punishment they have deserved." The ancient Greeks sacrificed on the thirteenth day (after death) to Mercury as the conductor of the dead, they also had sacrifice which, according to Plato, "was offered for the living and the dead, and was supposed to free them from all the evils to which the wicked are liable when they have left this world.

In ancient Rome, the pagan priests also picked up and spread purgatory to the pagans, but as a belief in the early church it was not immediately picked up. From earliest times Greek religious beliefs were a strong influence in Italy, and the Graeco-Roman world was essentially one in its religious and philosophic views of the afterlife.There was no mention of the doctrine during the first two centuries of the church, it has no basis in scripture, the apostles did not teach it, nor did Christ.

In all pagan religions you will find a similar description of a place after death where everyone can be absolved of their sin, not in any way connected to what the Bible says. In the pagan purgatory, fire, water, wind, were represented as combining to purge away the stain of sin, and has its roots in the Babylonian belief of Tammuz or Zoroaster, the great God of the ancient fire-worshippers. The doctrine of purgatory is purely pagan, and in no way from scripture as those who die in Christ no purgatory is or can be needed as it teaches that Christs blood cleanseth true believers from all sin, not purgatory. Scripture does not tell us of at death being put through altered spiritual states of immortality till we are cleansed by purgatory fires and then go to eternal life or heaven, but clearly teaches that immortality is not an innate human possession, but a conditional gift of eternal life given to believers at the resurrection.

Now some people point to Jesus' enunciation of the unpardonable sin as proof for Purgatory. Let us quickly review this Scripture.
"And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come." [Matthew 12:32] This reference to two worlds is held to be proof of Purgatory in the Bible, but that has nothing about purgartory. The expression "either in this world or in the world to come" does not imply that some sins are forgiven after death; however, it is a strong way of stating the truth that the unrepentant sinner will never be forgiven, as we see from the parallel passages of this Scripture (Luke 12:10, especially Mark 3:29)..

The doctrine of Purgatory is not only without Biblical proof, but it is against the clear and consistent teaching of Scripture. the Bible nowhere speaks of a temporary place of punishment after death for believers; however, it does clearly state that when the believer dies, he rests in the grave and becomes dust, a place that no living loved one can effect in any way.

"Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours ..." (Revelation 14:13)

Others point to Matthew 5:25-26 as the basis for Purgatory. Let us review that Scripture:
"Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, until thou hast paid the uttermost farthing." Matthew 5:25-26. This "prison" thus implied in this Scripture is supposed to be Purgatory. The implication in this Scripture is also that, eventually, the prisoner will pay his final bill and be set free. This implication is held to be consistent with the teaching of Purgatory, that it is not eternal, and eventually, everyone will get out of it, and go on to Heaven, perfectly purified. But it was a literal prison the verse refers to not purgatory by any stretch of the imagination, or whatever the pagan mystery religions tried to come up with.

In fact, neither the word nor the concept of sin-purifying fire is found in Scripture or worse paying to cleanse a dead person of sin as a way to heaven. Scripture leaves absolutely no possibility for sin to be purged away by anything other than the blood of Jesus Christ. The apostle John wrote with irrefutable clarity, "The blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin" and "all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:7, 9). John did not say "some" sins or "most" sins, but all sin. The Roman church was confronted with this in the 16th century when the Reformers protested its practice of buying and selling of God's grace through indulgences. Backed into a corner, the Council of Trent tried to tie it to the apocryphal books not part of the canon of Scripture. These were a collection of uninspired books by writers influenced by the Greek belief in the immortality of the soul, prayer for the dead, and denial of the resurrection, who put these teachings what in what was known as the Apocrypha. The council ignored the fact that the Jewish scribes never recognized the apocryphal books as inspired or part of the Hebrew Scriptures and it was rejected outright in 90 A.D. at the Council of Jamnia (Jabneh). Clearly they saw the danger as it was obviously pagan myths and beliefs mixed into these apocryphal books and they clearly saw that God did not inspire the writers of the Apocrypha. This is why the Apocrypha was never included in the original canon of 66 books.

 

[Adonia]

The doctrine of Purgatory is not only without Biblical proof,

No it isn't. Biblical proof has been provided here many times, you just reject it.

In fact, neither the word nor the concept of sin-purifying fire is found in Scripture or worse paying to cleanse a dead person of sin as a way to heaven.

Again, your error filled interpretation leads to that conclusion.

 

[Hobie]

Well, you have to look at how it came about, as its not scriptural. Actually, the belief in the suffering of punishment after death for certain curable offenses is found in pagan Greek philosophy, as Plato mentions it, and other pagan cultures. Here is a good description..

"The concept of Purgatory has its origins in ancient Greek, Roman and Egyptian pagan cultures. Praying for the dead so that there might be a post-mortem forgiveness of sins is a practice seen in many cultures and religions.

Thus Plato, speaking of the future judgment of the dead, holds out the hope of final deliverance for all, but maintains that, of “those who are judged,” some must first “proceed to a subterranean place of judgment, where they shall sustain the punishment they have deserved.”...
3 Important Truths About Purgatory

 

[Yeshua1]

No it isn't. Biblical proof has been provided here many times, you just reject it.



Again, your error filled interpretation leads to that conclusion.

The Church of Rome denies Pauline Justification, so they replaced biblical truth of the Gospel of Christ with manmade dogmas and errors!

 

[Hobie]

No it isn't. Biblical proof has been provided here many times, you just reject it.



Again, your error filled interpretation leads to that conclusion.

It was a well know pagan idea and came into the church from Greek philosophers..."The evidence shows that the origins of Purgatory are completely pagan. Data shows that in the 5th century BC Plato a Greek philosopher said, “These things being so, as soon as the dead arrive at the region whither his demon carries each, in the first place those who have led an upright life and a holy life, and those who have lived otherwise are judged. And those who appear to have led a course of life between the two,…and when they are purified and have suffered the penalty of their iniquities, if any of them has committed such, they are absolved,” (Jarvis, p. 72). So we see from this historical account that the idea of a place of purgation is not original with Catholics. It is derived from superstitious paganism."..The doctrine of purgatory

 

[MarysSon]

We have this from the Roman Catholic Church....
'III. THE FINAL PURIFICATION, OR PURGATORY
1030 All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.
1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned.606 The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:607

As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come.608
1032 This teaching is also based on the practice of prayer for the dead, already mentioned in Sacred Scripture: "Therefore [Judas Maccabeus] made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin."609 From the beginning the Church has honored the memory of the dead and offered prayers in suffrage for them, above all the Eucharistic sacrifice, so that, thus purified, they may attain the beatific vision of God.610 The Church also commends almsgiving, indulgences, and works of penance undertaken on behalf of the dead:

Let us help and commemorate them. If Job's sons were purified by their father's sacrifice, why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them.611'
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P2N.HTM

This is one of the false doctrines that led Martin Luther to take a stand against the Papacy. Purgatory as a doctrine teaches that a Christian's soul must burn in purgatory after death until all of their sins have been purged. To speed up the purging process, money could be paid to a priest so he could pray and have special masses for an earlier release, and much money was made with this doctrine. Purgatory is given as a way that no matter how sinful or unbelieving, when you die, you go to Purgatory and get things sorted out and finally get to heaven, so no acceptance of Christ is needed, you can buy your way in. But is it in the Bible, if you look it doesn’t show, so where did it come from. It comes as no surprise to see it is a corrupt pagan doctrine, which was allowed into the church.

This pagan idea began creeping into the church around the end of the sixth century, and it has no scriptural support. In fact, Jesus warned us about this pagan practice in Matthew 23:14 when He spoke of those who devoured widows houses and made long prayers for a pretence. Psalm 49:6-7 tells us that a person couldn't redeem a loved one, even if such a place did exist: "They that trust in their wealth, and boast themselves in the multitude of their riches; None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:"

Peter addresses this issue in Acts 8:20 when he says, "Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money." God's word is clearly against the doctrine of purgatory.

As usual - your post is filled with a mixture of facts and outright LIES.

Let's begin with your LIE #1 above in RED.
At NO time was the "selling" of indulgences or time in Purgatory ever sanctioned by the Church. These were ABUSES that were condemned by the Church. This was especially problematic in Luther's Germany, where a Bishop names Johann Tetzel went around the countryside demanding money for the souls in Purgatory. His actions were condemned by the Church and even the voluntary offering of monetary donations for these reasons was stopped.

Let's move onto LIE #2, above in RED underline . . .
the Doctrine of Purgatory or "Final Purification of the Elect" is ONLY for those who have died in a stated of grace and favor with God. This does NOT apply to those who, as YOU put it "that no matter how sinful or unbelieving, when you die" get to "sort things out".
This is your BIGGEST LIE because it is a complete perversion of the doctrine.

As to LIE #3 - it looks like you've been reading Lorainne Boettner's heavily-debunked book, "Roman Catholicism".
This book is filled with idiotic, unhistorical claims that even a 2nd grader could refute. The fact that when a doctrine is officially defined does NOT mean that it was "invented" at that time.
The doctrine of the Trinity has been believed since the very BEGINNING of Christianity yet the doctrine wasn't officially defined until the FOURTH Century. Does this mean it was "invented" then?? Absolutely NOT - and the same goes for Purgatory.

I suggest you learn the difference and start doing your homework before you continue offending God by bearing false witness . . .

 

[Yeshua1]

As usual - your post is filled with a mixture of facts and outright LIES.

Let's begin with your LIE #1 above in RED.
At NO time was the "selling" of indulgences or time in Purgatory ever sanctioned by the Church. These were ABUSES that were condemned by the Church. This was especially problematic in Luther's Germany, where a Bishop names Johann Tetzel went around the countryside demanding money for the souls in Purgatory. His actions were condemned by the Church and even the voluntary offering of monetary donations for these reasons was stopped.

Let's move onto LIE #2, above in RED underline . . .
the Doctrine of Purgatory or "Final Purification of the Elect" is ONLY for those who have died in a stated of grace and favor with God. This does NOT apply to those who, as YOU put it "that no matter how sinful or unbelieving, when you die" get to "sort things out".
This is your BIGGEST LIE because it is a complete perversion of the doctrine.

As to LIE #3 - it looks like you've been reading Lorainne Boettner's heavily-debunked book, "Roman Catholicism".
This book is filled with idiotic, unhistorical claims that even a 2nd grader could refute. The fact that when a doctrine is officially defined does NOT mean that it was "invented" at that time.
The doctrine of the Trinity has been believed since the very BEGINNING of Christianity yet the doctrine wasn't officially defined until the FOURTH Century. Does this mean it was "invented" then?? Absolutely NOT - and the same goes for Purgatory.

I suggest you learn the difference and start doing your homework before you continue offending God by bearing false witness . . .

how many sins did the blood of Jesus atone for?What sins cannot be washed by His Blood?

 

[MarysSon]

how many sins did the blood of Jesus atone for?What sins cannot be washed by His Blood?

The Blood of Christ atoned for ALL of the sins of the world - unless your chosen type of Protestantism is Calvinism, which believes that He ONLY atoned for the sins of the "elect."

Once again - your ignorance of the doctrine of Purgatory is the problem - not the doctrine itself.
Purgatory not only DOESN'T deny Christ's once-for-all sacrifice - it is ONLY because of this sacrifice that a final Purification is even possible . . .

 

[Yeshua1]

The Blood of Christ atoned for ALL of the sins of the world - unless your chosen type of Protestantism is Calvinism, which believes that He ONLY atoned for the sins of the "elect."

Once again - your ignorance of the doctrine of Purgatory is the problem - not the doctrine itself.
Purgatory not only DOESN'T deny Christ's once-for-all sacrifice - it is ONLY because of this sacrifice that a final Purification is even possible . . .

God declares me already just as saved as mary and the Apostles, did they need final purification then?

 

[MarysSon]

God declares me already just as saved as mary and the Apostles, did they need final purification then?

Rev. 21:27 states that NOTHING impure or unclean can enter heaven.
If you sin before dying - are you perfectly pure and clean?

NO.

 

[Yeshua1]

Rev. 21:27 states that NOTHING impure or unclean can enter heaven.
If you sin before dying - are you perfectly pure and clean?

NO.

yes, as the blood of Jesus has cleansed me from ALL sins!

 

[MarysSon]

yes, as the blood of Jesus has cleansed me from ALL sins!

Not FUTURE sins.
Those, you still have to repent of . . .

 

[Yeshua1]

Not FUTURE sins.
Those, you still have to repent of . . .

In order to maintain fellowship, but not relationship!

 

[MarysSon]

In order to maintain fellowship, but not relationship!

WHERE does the Bible teach this??
Chapter and Verse, please . . .

 

[Yeshua1]

WHERE does the Bible teach this??
Chapter and Verse, please . . .

Hebrews 7:25 eternal salvation!

 

[AustinC]

Rev. 21:27 states that NOTHING impure or unclean can enter heaven.
If you sin before dying - are you perfectly pure and clean?

NO.

Romans 8 says we are made pure and perfect in Christ.

Romans 8:1-4,35-39 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? As it is written, “For your sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.” No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[MarysSon]

Hebrews 7:25 eternal salvation!

Heb. 7:25
Wherefore he is ABLE also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

NOWHERE does this say that you are "saved forever" or that you don't need to repent of future sins.
It says that He is ABLE to save us - and He IS. That requires OUR cooperation with His grace.

 

[Hobie]

Romans 8 says we are made pure and perfect in Christ.

Romans 8:1-4,35-39 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? As it is written, “For your sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.” No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Very true, we as Christians should have no doubts of the love of Christ, as we see the things happening today.

 

[Hobie]

This study really shows the issues with this idea of purgatory...
"Problems with the Doctrine of Purgatory
As a Christian who bases spiritual truth on the Bible alone, I see problems with the doctrine of purgatory. For example:

1. It is not explicitly found in the Bible.
2. It implies that the righteousness of Christ does not cleanse from all sin.
3. It implies that justification is not by faith alone.
4. It implies that there is something we must do in order to be cleansed of sin.

The Catholics will disagree with my perceived problems of the doctrine of purgatory. That is to be expected. They will cite church Fathers, the Apocrypha, and various biblical references to fire and purification. Whichever side of the argument you fall into, my goal here is to present a biblical argument that examines the doctrine in an attempt to determine if it is biblical or not.

Of course, the Catholic will say that as a Protestant, I come to the argument with the preconceived belief that (1) Purgatory is unbiblical, (2) that I am biased against it, and (3) that I have an agenda to accomplish. To each of these accusations, I admit guilt. None of us are perfectly unbiased, and most everyone has personal beliefs that are reflected in their actions and words. In this case, having read and studied the Bible thoroughly, I find no place in it for the Roman Catholic doctrine of Purgatory."...Purgatory | CARM.org