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The Falwell's are falling hard publicly now, not falwell, but fallbad

SGO

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To Mr. Downey
A clear argument given.

In Mr. Falwell's final statement from the article above:

"The trauma of this experience has brought us to a very challenging point in our lives, but we are strong, our faith in Christ is greater than ever, and with His help and with those in the community who we love and who appreciate the impact of forgiveness, we will get through this. We ask for your prayers and support."

Looks like he asked the Lord for forgiveness but while asking for prayer and support made excuses to everyone else.
Did I misinterpret?
 

agedman

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Did his contract not have a morals clause that was at least as binding as that required by the students?

He should receive no “severance package” but shoved out the door as they would a student.
 

Scott Downey

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To Mr. Downey
A clear argument given.

In Mr. Falwell's final statement from the article above:

"The trauma of this experience has brought us to a very challenging point in our lives, but we are strong, our faith in Christ is greater than ever, and with His help and with those in the community who we love and who appreciate the impact of forgiveness, we will get through this. We ask for your prayers and support."

Looks like he asked the Lord for forgiveness but while asking for prayer and support made excuses to everyone else.
Did I misinterpret?
Falwell has disqualified himself though to be in a leadership position, scripturally provable with the requirements listed as Paul so states. Read through the list and you must agree with the failing in several places. You should not just become a hereditary leader according to the flesh...by taking over the family business...obviously failed several in this list, and especially verse 11

Qualifications of Overseers
1 This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work.

2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach;

3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous;

4 one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence

5 (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?);

6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil.

7 Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

8 Likewise deacons must be reverent, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy for money, 9 holding the [f]mystery of the faith with a pure conscience. 10 But let these also first be tested; then let them serve as deacons, being found blameless.

11 Likewise, their wives must be reverent, not slanderers, temperate, faithful in all things.

12 Let deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. 13 For those who have served well as deacons obtain for themselves a good standing and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
 

Reynolds

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@Reynolds, still waiting on some education on the "satellite."
Last time I checked, it was not my job to educate you. When people ask in a reasonable manner, I am more than willing. When someone snarkily demands, dont expect a dang thing from me.
 

Rob_BW

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Last time I checked, it was not my job to educate you. When people ask in a reasonable manner, I am more than willing. When someone snarkily demands, dont expect a dang thing from me.
You are right. It is not your job to educate me.

But you put out an allegation. And not a generalization like "Pastor So-and-so is a theological liberal." It was a specific allegation about a satellite.

I've worked with satellites for over 2 decades. So if I came off as snarky, please accept my apology. I found it highly improbable that PTL owned a satellite. Perhaps it was an earth station or a lease for a channel on a commercial satellite?
 

Reynolds

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You are right. It is not your job to educate me.

But you put out an allegation. And not a generalization like "Pastor So-and-so is a theological liberal." It was a specific allegation about a satellite.

I've worked with satellites for over 2 decades. So if I came off as snarky, please accept my apology. I found it highly improbable that PTL owned a satellite. Perhaps it was an earth station or a lease for a channel on a commercial satellite?
Breaking News, World News, US and Local News - NY Daily News - New York Daily News

There are many vague references to it Ithat you can still find. I remember them fund raising to buy it. have heard Baker and His son (strange creature there) talk about the satellite and how everything went to pay for and retain it once Baker was ousted.
 

Rob_BW

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Breaking News, World News, US and Local News - NY Daily News - New York Daily News

There are many vague references to it Ithat you can still find. I remember them fund raising to buy it. have heard Baker and His son (strange creature there) talk about the satellite and how everything went to pay for and retain it once Baker was ousted.
I just searched for "PTL Satellite" yesterday, I threw Bakker's name in there and found a bit more.

But it came back to a guy named Cerullo, who I'm not familiar with. Everything I read says he got the:

"The PTL cable network includes a broadcast production studio, a satellite “uplink,” or earth-to-satellite transmission facility, and a leasehold interest in a cable TV satellite controlled by HBO."

S.D. Evangelist Gets OK to Buy Bakker's PTL Cable Network : Deal: At $7 million, Morris Cerullo outbid Oral Roberts for the bankrupt holdings. He also plans to buy Heritage USA theme park for $45 million.
 

agedman

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Perhaps a slight adjustment is needed concerning PTL and Falwell.

The satellite was the satellite network. Bakers prevented the church of god politically driven icons from gaining control by giving the whole PTL stuff into Falwell authority.

Didn’t work out all that well and Falwell later resigned from it all.

Like it really makes any difference to anyone.
 

InTheLight

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Jerry Falwell Jr. may get $10.5 million payout from Liberty University

Jerry Falwell Jr. could be awaiting about $10.5 million from Liberty University following his resignation from the conservative Christian school amid a steamy sex scandal, a report said.

Falwell, 58, who boasted earlier Tuesday that he was “free at last,” is owed the massive payout as part of the stipulations in his employment contract, a source told the Wall Street Journal.

The evangelical powerhouse is due $2.5 million, constituting two years of his salary, plus a one-time payment of roughly $8 million as part of a contractual clause giving Falwell full pay if he resigned with restricted responsibilities, the source told the paper.

Liberty University’s board of trustees, who unanimously voted Tuesday to accept Falwell’s resignation, had also said in a statement the former president would receive his full severance package.
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Apparently the wages of sin is $10.5 million.
 

Salty

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Way I remember it, J.F. Sr. Was at the helm of PTL when it went bankrupt. Jim Baker, despite his obvious faults, was keeping it financially above water. As soon as Falwell took over, economic implosion. The way I heard it, Falwell got the Satellite. According to many, that was all he wanted anyway.

He probably kept it afloat as donations was really based on a ponzi scheme - By the time Jerry took over - it probably was too late. I only say this as an assumption - I do not have any special insight.
 

Salty

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Jerry Falwell Jr. may get $10.5 million payout from Liberty University ...Apparently the wages of sin is $10.5 million

So very sad

Could it be that the Board wanted to make sure this was the end of Jerry jr at Liberty.
 

Rob_BW

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Jerry Falwell Jr. may get $10.5 million payout from Liberty University

Jerry Falwell Jr. could be awaiting about $10.5 million from Liberty University following his resignation from the conservative Christian school amid a steamy sex scandal, a report said.

Falwell, 58, who boasted earlier Tuesday that he was “free at last,” is owed the massive payout as part of the stipulations in his employment contract, a source told the Wall Street Journal.

The evangelical powerhouse is due $2.5 million, constituting two years of his salary, plus a one-time payment of roughly $8 million as part of a contractual clause giving Falwell full pay if he resigned with restricted responsibilities, the source told the paper.

Liberty University’s board of trustees, who unanimously voted Tuesday to accept Falwell’s resignation, had also said in a statement the former president would receive his full severance package.
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Apparently the wages of sin is $10.5 million.

No way around it, that stinks.
 

agedman

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He probably kept it afloat as donations was really based on a ponzi scheme - By the time Jerry took over - it probably was too late. I only say this as an assumption - I do not have any special insight.
Liberty University’s board of trustees, who unanimously voted Tuesday to accept Falwell’s resignation, had also said in a statement the former president would receive his full severance package.
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Apparently the wages of sin is $10.5 million.

Did they not include any morals type clause in his employment agreement? That is standard for any executive isn’t it?

He should get nothing more than a student would who violated school policy and was removed.
 

Reynolds

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He probably kept it afloat as donations was really based on a ponzi scheme - By the time Jerry took over - it probably was too late. I only say this as an assumption - I do not have any special insight.
The weird thing is that Baker had not yet exceeded the viability of the time share. Baker had the "Casino" mentality. If you stay your 3 free nights per year, which the vast majority wont do, We will actually make money on you in the park, golf courses, restaurants, retail shops, etc.
Most people look at the number of rooms in the towers to make their calculations. The Bungalows and cottages were also part of the deal. With those rooms calculated in, he was still far from over selling.
 
is it right that Liberty are paying him over $10m leaving money? since when does a "Bible college" reward somone who has sinned against the Lord and His Holy Word?
 

Salty

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is it right that Liberty are paying him over $10m leaving money? since when does a "Bible college" reward somone who has sinned against the Lord and His Holy Word?

Liberty is much more than a Bible college - in 1985, Liberty became a fully fledged University with 17 colleges, with about 15,000 on campus students.

Also, from WIKI "The university was placed on probation multiple times in the 1990s by the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools due to heavy debt loads.[22] In 1990, the university's debt totaled $110 million; in 1996, it totaled $40 million.[22] As of 2017 the university's endowment stands at more than $1 billion and gross assets are in excess of $2 billion."[23]

Liberty University - Wikipedia
 
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