The fastest way to solve the health care crisis

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"In God We Trust" is the official motto of the United States. It was adopted as the nation's motto in 1956 as an alternative or replacement to the unofficial motto of E pluribus unum, which was adopted when the Great Seal of the United States was created and adopted in 1782.[1][2]

"In God We Trust" first appeared on U.S. coins in 1864[3] and has appeared on paper currency since 1957. A law passed in a Joint Resolution by the 84th Congress (P.L. 84-140) and approved by President Dwight Eisenhower on July 30, 1956 declared IN GOD WE TRUST must appear on American currency. This phrase was first used on paper money in 1957, when it appeared on the one-dollar silver certificate. The first paper currency bearing the phrase entered circulation on October 1, 1957.[3]

God was not a NEW inclusion in the founding of the US.
Making an inclusion in the statutes, was simply making a FORMAL declaration within the LAW, (declaring "IN GOD WE TRUST", as the official MOTTO of the US), just as the Declaration of Independence was a FORMAL declaration.

July 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

 

[FollowTheWay]

God was not a NEW inclusion in the founding of the US.
Making an inclusion in the statutes, was simply making a FORMAL declaration within the LAW, (declaring "IN GOD WE TRUST", as the official MOTTO of the US), just as the Declaration of Independence was a FORMAL declaration.

July 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

Once again, I didn't say that God wasn't mentioned in the early documents and speeches establishing America. i just clarified the question about the phrase "In God we Trust."

 

[FollowTheWay]

I do dig in my pockets and give money to the needy when I think it's the right thing to do. I'd much rather that the Church take care of the needy instead of the government but that's financially impossible. I calculated that all Christian churches (all denominations and Catholics as well) would have to donate $200,000/yr to provide health care for the poor. My church could do that if they made it a priority but most Baptist churches have less than 100 members. That would be impossible. Go ahead and support more arms and more war and less help for the poor in America. That's your choice. I'm comfortable in believing that by opposing that I am following the will of Jesus.

 

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Once again, I didn't say that God wasn't mentioned in the early documents and speeches establishing America. i just clarified the question about the phrase "In God we Trust."

Did your "clarification" somehow add to the point that the Nations Motto is "IN GOD WE TRUST" ?

 

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I do dig in my pockets and give money to the needy when I think it's the right thing to do. I'd much rather that the Church take care of the needy instead of the government but that's financially impossible. I calculated that all Christian churches (all denominations and Catholics as well) would have to donate $200,000/yr to provide health care for the poor. My church could do that if they made it a priority but most Baptist churches have less than 100 members. That would be impossible. Go ahead and support more arms and more war and less help for the poor in America. That's your choice. I'm comfortable in believing that by opposing that I am following the will of Jesus.

That's nice, you decide who is needy and when it is the "right thing to do".

Where in ALL of scripture is "health care" mentioned, that promotes the forcible taking from one to give to another, at a governments or any mans WILL?

 

[FollowTheWay]

That's nice, you decide who is needy and when it is the "right thing to do".

Where in ALL of scripture is "health care" mentioned, that promotes the forcible taking from one to give to another, at a governments or any mans WILL?

Religion and politics don't mix but our faith should influence our moral judgments including who we vote for. If you vote for more military and war that says one thing. If you vote for feeding and providing healthcare for the needy that says quite another. Jesus never had anything to do with politics except to pay our taxes but which mopral alternative do you think he would support?

 

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Religion and politics don't mix but our faith should influence our moral judgments including who we vote for. If you vote for more military and war that says one thing. If you vote for feeding and providing healthcare for the needy that says quite another. Jesus never had anything to do with politics except to pay our taxes but which mopral alternative do you think he would support?

Barry supporters were anti-war ~ and we witnessed many demonstrators chanting against war that Congress voted on during Bush's Presidency ~ funny how the war continued during Barry's term ~ but the anti-rally's stopped!

The People do not "vote" for war ~ that is the decision of Congress.

Vote for feeding and providing healthcare for the needy?
The People do not vote for such. The government decides "they" will provide, to whom "they" qualify as "needy", right after "they" "force" others to give them "money", which IS distribution of wealth, and unConstitutional. Am I for forced giving? No! Neither is God.

Which moral alternative do I think Jesus would support? Precisely what Scripture teaches;

2Cor.9

1. [7] Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Who could possible be worse than a non-believer? Scripture tells you....

1Tim.5

1. [8] But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

Is it your position it is a good deed to foster and encourage people to NOT take care of their own, that they may join the ranks of being an infidel?

 

[FollowTheWay]

Barry supporters were anti-war ~ and we witnessed many demonstrators chanting against war that Congress voted on during Bush's Presidency ~ funny how the war continued during Barry's term ~ but the anti-rally's stopped!

The People do not "vote" for war ~ that is the decision of Congress.

Vote for feeding and providing healthcare for the needy?
The People do not vote for such. The government decides "they" will provide, to whom "they" qualify as "needy", right after "they" "force" others to give them "money", which IS distribution of wealth, and unConstitutional. Am I for forced giving? No! Neither is God.

Which moral alternative do I think Jesus would support? Precisely what Scripture teaches;

2Cor.9

1. [7] Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Who could possible be worse than a non-believer? Scripture tells you....

1Tim.5

1. [8] But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

Is it your position it is a good deed to foster and encourage people to NOT take care of their own, that they may join the ranks of being an infidel?

[Mat 25:34-40 KJV] 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed [thee]? or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took [thee] in? or naked, and clothed [thee]? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Barry supporters were anti-war ~ and we witnessed many demonstrators chanting against war that Congress voted on during Bush's Presidency ~ funny how the war continued during Barry's term ~ but the anti-rally's stopped!

The People do not "vote" for war ~ that is the decision of Congress.

Vote for feeding and providing healthcare for the needy?
The People do not vote for such. The government decides "they" will provide, to whom "they" qualify as "needy", right after "they" "force" others to give them "money", which IS distribution of wealth, and unConstitutional. Am I for forced giving? No! Neither is God.

Which moral alternative do I think Jesus would support? Precisely what Scripture teaches;

2Cor.9

1. [7] Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Who could possible be worse than a non-believer? Scripture tells you....

1Tim.5

1. [8] But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

Is it your position it is a good deed to foster and encourage people to NOT take care of their own, that they may join the ranks of being an infidel?

This is not a valid argument. Using your argument the people do not vote for or against abortion nor do they vote for or against gay marriage.

 

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[Mat 25:34-40 KJV] 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed [thee]? or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took [thee] in? or naked, and clothed [thee]? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.

Uh huh ~

Huge difference between the government forcing one to give, when someone goes to the government begging AND me aiding one who comes to me!

My brethren ~
Who precisely is the "governments" "brethren"?
Who precisely is "Jesus' " brethren, OF WHOM, this Scripture speaks to give AID?

Matt 12
[48] But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
[49] And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
[50] For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

So, do tell, How is an entity, called a "government" (who must TAKE what is not theirs, decided WHO is needy, and DOLE out scraps, AFTER they pocket some first)....Jesus' brethren?

And how did it work out for Ananias, and Sapphira his wife, who had money for a particular purpose and kept some for themselves?

And when did Scripture teach you a compelled (forced) giving ?

The "government" is not my "brethren".

 

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This is not a valid argument. Using your argument the people do not vote for or against abortion nor do they vote for or against gay marriage.

Then perhaps you should take notice ~ I am not arguing with you. I state what I believe, without regard to whether or not you believe what I do.

"gay marriage" ~ odd secular oxymoron term

Don't you find it odd that a group of people prefer their identity be highlighted by whom they have sex with?

 

[FollowTheWay]

Then perhaps you should take notice ~ I am not arguing with you. I state what I believe, without regard to whether or not you believe what I do.

"gay marriage" ~ odd secular oxymoron term

Don't you find it odd that a group of people prefer their identity be highlighted by whom they have sex with?

I find it odd that many professing Christians prefer that their identity be defined by the political party they vote for rather than their faith.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Uh huh ~

Huge difference between the government forcing one to give, when someone goes to the government begging AND me aiding one who comes to me!

My brethren ~
Who precisely is the "governments" "brethren"?
Who precisely is "Jesus' " brethren, OF WHOM, this Scripture speaks to give AID?

Matt 12
[48] But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
[49] And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
[50] For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

So, do tell, How is an entity, called a "government" (who must TAKE what is not theirs, decided WHO is needy, and DOLE out scraps, AFTER they pocket some first)....Jesus' brethren?

And how did it work out for Ananias, and Sapphira his wife, who had money for a particular purpose and kept some for themselves?

And when did Scripture teach you a compelled (forced) giving ?

The "government" is not my "brethren".

Your vote helps determine how our national funds are spent, on war or on helping the needy. I believe that counts as a personal effort by you to support one or the other.

 

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I find it odd that many professing Christians prefer that their identity be defined by the political party they vote for rather than their faith.

I find it odd that you just announced "a professing Christian", "prefers" their identity be defined by a political party. Seems if they are a "professed Christian", they already announced what they identify with.

 

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Your vote helps determine how our national funds are spent, on war or on helping the needy. I believe that counts as a personal effort by you to support one or the other.

I can easily find Constitutional authority for the government to ask for public money for war, but not money only from some people, so the government can decide what other people should be a recipient.

And BTW the Constitution decided a long time ago what monies the government could collect, and what it was to be spent on.

I will presume you are an adult and are quite capable of giving and aiding without a secular law demanding you do it. eh?

 

[FollowTheWay]

I can easily find Constitutional authority for the government to ask for public money for war, but not money only from some people, so the government can decide what other people should be a recipient.

And BTW the Constitution decided a long time ago what monies the government could collect, and what it was to be spent on.

I will presume you are an adult and are quite capable of giving and aiding without a secular law demanding you do it. eh?

I do give to the church and to the needy because I feel that's what Jesus taught us to do. Do you give to the poor?

 

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I find it odd that you just announced "a professing Christian", "prefers" their identity be defined by a political party. Seems if they are a "professed Christian", they already announced what they identify with.

A professing Christian may or may not be a genuine Christian.

 

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Can't recognize this conversation by the thread title at all.

 

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I do give to the church and to the needy because I feel that's what Jesus taught us to do. Do you give to the poor?

I will presume you mean "poor" "financially"...

Give money to random churches ~
Give money to beggars on the street ~
Give money to people for food ~
Give money to people for utilities ~
Give groceries to people ~
Give clothing to people ~
Give random children toys ~
Give strangers fuel money ~
Give furniture to people ~
Send flowers to random people ~
Mentor prisoners ~
Visit random prisoners ~
Visit random elderly in rest homes ~
Read scriptures to the elderly in rest homes ~
Buy soldiers lunch and coffee ~
Take cookies to police officers and firemen ~
Help the elderly to their car with groceries ~
Teach and mentor teens ~
Teach deaf kids about Christ ~
and on and on and on ~

Rarely a day goes by that you should be without means that you can assist another ~
Do you do those things? I do.

I don't require a government to dictate HOW to help others.
Nor do I require a Church envelope to pledge a weekly offering.

 

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A professing Christian may or may not be a genuine Christian.

1) Anyone following after Christ's Way, is a Christian.

2) As well, anyone who has submitted themselves to Christ, is a Christian.

The difference is; the second, is saved and born again, and the first isn't.

A man WHO is the (1) follower and not submitted.....can one day be a Christian and the next day not.
He is one WHO has started becoming enlightened to the Truth, and then lost faith and walked away.

Judas is a good example of (1).

So perhaps someone told you they were a Christian, because they were following, then stopped, but never announced to you, they were no longer a Christian.

Then again, if you attend church, you have to remember, you sit among sinners, and while they may pretty much be on the same path, that doesn't me they are all at the same distance on the path.