The flimsy foundation of ME

Can the blood keep me from chastisement? Can the blood guarantee that I will be rewarded with ten cities and not five and not few stripes and not many stripes?

What is ithe "much" that is "given", if it is not first eternal salvation, and then gifts of the Holy Ghost? Surely this whole passage refers to a saved "servant"!

What is the rule "over all that he hath" that the obedient "find-so-doing" servant stands to get when the Lord "cometh" if not the reward of ruling and reigning in the Kingdom?

And what is the "portion with the unbelievers", the few stripes, and the many stripes, threatened here (When he cometh) for the same servant if he instead stops watching, if not some serious chastening at the JSOC?

Lacy

 

This is my first post, nothing like JJumping right in.

Instead of using a strawman, why not go right to the Bible and just replace the name 'John' with 'Solomon' (1 Kings 11:1-13 noting the timing in his life from verse 4)? Where is Solomon now? Is he saved?

At the JSOC Solomon will lose some of his rewards because of his backsliding, but he has eternal life.


BGTF

 

All those things. Like the Hebrew Christian had. Still the warnings couldn't be any more plain.

 

Actually we do what all good students should and "whip out" whatever dictionary definition of the word fits the context, rather than try to bludgeoningly force one definition of a word upon every context.

Lacy

 

Thanks for the heads up. I guess it will be just like trying to nail Jello to a wall.

One of the surest tests of a false religion or cult is that they have no assurance of salvation. Not sure why someone would want to live like that when the Bible explicitly tells you otherwise.


BGTF

 

In the past, JJump has always told people to pm him and he would go one on one with them and explain the whole nine yards of this message they preach.

My problem with that is, why one on one? Why not post every single thing they think proves their point in the main threads so all can benefit?

God is not a respector of persons when it comes to sharing the truth, why should they be?

I think we all know the answer to that.

 

Sounds like you have been around the block a few times with them.

Their arguments are just like any other cult. It's 'full and present' assurance that the Bible gives us.

Nevertheless, their belief system is required, for if one had only the choice to believe the truth and nothing else, then everyone would be saved. False systems of religion are merely a mechanism to sort out the wheat from the chaff.


BGTF

 

Well, that's something upon which we agree.

 

Let's see... To whom is this addressed?

Colossians 1:2: To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

It is addressed to those saved individuals who are being faithful and have an outward showing of that faith.

We should muse on that, when we muse upon who will appear with him in glory.

Now, this passage does not exclude others, in and of itself, but neither does it include others. So, it can only be used for "saints and faithful brethren". (Matthew 12:50 tells us that brethren are those who are being obedient, but Jesus was a legalist according to some, since, since, according to them, we don't need to be obedient.)

 

Funny thing about it, those who try to prove that you can become unsaved use these same verses.

They at least do not shut their eyes to the fact that these passages are warnings given to saved people.

 

I will tell you exactly why.

I converse with many people privately. Some of them, I PM. Some of them are on the "other" side of this debate, but we can have a rational, adult discussion, minus the outright lies, name-calling, and **insutl removed** when it is done privately.

Others PM me wanting information, but they are afraid of being attacked by the lies, name-calling, and vituperousness of others, and don't want the confrontation.

If an individual think their position is just, why do they resort to lies? TC Greek, even though we are at odds on this discussion, behaves righteously and debates in an adult, rational manner without resorting to lies and name-calling. There are a few others.

Sadly, a few look at the outright lies being perpetuated by npetreley (and a couple of others) and actually believe they are things that we have said. My only consolation is that some who have PMed me have done so specifially because of his behavior, and has made them wonder why he would be so irrational. (I think maybe he's feeling some conviction going on!)

 

The truth be told, when you take them to pm, they are not distracted by the truth going on in the main thread that God wants them to hear.

 

I see you are new here. Being dizzy from some of the post is just part of this board. Try to back him into a corner and your laptop will actually spin around the room 3 times...a pretty cool trick.

 

I believe in eternal security!

Good Morning

 

Amen. He is faithful who promised. He will keep you and in no wise cast you out if you are His (contrary to the ME doctrine).

 

Are you a prophet sir?, Able to judge the deepest secrets of men?

This is terrible form. You ask him a question. He gives you an honest answer. Then you come back with this judgmental "I know you better than you know you" junk! I think you have become too emotionally involved in this topic, because that was just mean.

Lacy