You are confused. How could they say to God “Turn us again” if they are not yet turned! You teach we cannot believe in God unless God supernaturally causes us to believe, since these people, as you say, are asking God to turn them, then tell me, with your beliefs, how can they ask this of God if they are turned away? Your beliefs are false, manufactured by man.
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The Free Will of Man
- Thread starter Heavenly Pilgrim
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You are confused. How could they say to God “Turn us again” if they are not yet turned! You teach we cannot believe in God unless God supernaturally causes us to believe, since these people, as you say, are asking God to turn them, then tell me, with your beliefs, how can they ask this of God if they are turned away? Your beliefs are false, manufactured by man.
The Myth of God giving men freewill !
One of the most misleading things that ever came out of the mouth and mind of the natural mind of men, is that God has given men a freewill. I have been reading, studying, and pondering scripture for well over 30 years now, and not once, have I seen the verse that says God is given men a freewill.
I will be showing by scripture, how that hypothesis is simply not true, and therefore just the reasoning of the natural mind of men.
Lets look first at a scripture of what Jesus said of some:
Jn 8:44
44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
First of all, which one of us had the freewill choice to choose who our Father would be ?
Jesus is speaking about spiritual things here. Jesus is not talking about the physical earthly fathers. Since Jesus is not speaking of earthly fatherhood, then why are you speaking of it here to try to explain what is spiritual?
The heart of fallen man LOVES darkness and HATES light and his choices are always in keeping with his heart. That is why he needs a NEW heart that will reflect choices in keeping with that NEW heart for "with the heart man believeth unto righteousness" (Rom. 10:10).
Romans 10:10 does not say with a "new heart."
In addition, the men who love darkness and will not come to the light...that is not about every single man on earth...that is about those who do not come into the light.
savedbymercy
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moriah
I know, you chose who your father would be lol..
God sent people to give His message; the message came to me; God said to do this and do that; I did as my Master commanded.
God gives His Spirit to those He accepts. See Acts 15:8.
Jesus says he will reveal himself to those who obey him. John 14:23.
What I would like to know, is how you can read what I post from God's Word, and go on as if it were not there?
Did you read the beautiful powerful word from God?
John 14:23 Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.
Now, do not repeat Calvin's rubbish.
savedbymercy
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1 Cor 1:30
30But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
The freewillers say in so many words, it is of us, our own freewill, that we are in Christ Jesus, but True believers will say as Paul did here, that it is of Him, God and His will, that we are in Christ Jesus.
30But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
The freewillers say in so many words, it is of us, our own freewill, that we are in Christ Jesus, but True believers will say as Paul did here, that it is of Him, God and His will, that we are in Christ Jesus.
1 Cor 1:30
30But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
The freewillers say in so many words, it is of us, our own freewill, that we are in Christ Jesus, but True believers will say as Paul did here, that it is of Him, God and His will, that we are in Christ Jesus.
I just explained how we are in Christ. Now you show me what I said that was false.
God sent people to give His message; the message came to me; God said to do this and do that; I did as my Master commanded.
God gives His Spirit to those He accepts. See Acts 15:8.
Jesus says he will reveal himself to those who obey him. John 14:23.
Sbm,
Here is what I posted about how we receive the Holy Spirit. Show me exactly where you say I am wrong.
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Jaques:
All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;
They have their exits and their entrances,
And one man in his time plays many parts,
His acts being seven ages.
As You Like It Act 2, scene 7, 139–143
Or maybe the world is a computer generated game between God and Satan - as Job 2 describes.
All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;
They have their exits and their entrances,
And one man in his time plays many parts,
His acts being seven ages.
As You Like It Act 2, scene 7, 139–143
Or maybe the world is a computer generated game between God and Satan - as Job 2 describes.