The Fundamentals -- Torrey, Dixon and others

[Martin Marprelate]

No biblical evidence

My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me!' If that is not Biblical evidence for the Lord Jesus having been forsaken, then tell me what would satisfy you. The fact is that no amount of Biblical evidence will make any difference to you because you have set your face against the truth and nothing will move you.

We are told that the Lord Jesus was made a curse for us. Whose curse was it? Was it just Moses shooting his mouth off? Can we just strike Deuteronomy 21:23 out of our Bibles? Or do we not have to accept that the Lord Jesus on the cross (or 'tree' - 1 Peter 2:24) was carrying the curse of God - and expiating it?

 

[Yeshua1]

My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me!' If that is not Biblical evidence for the Lord Jesus having been forsaken, then tell me what would satisfy you. The fact is that no amount of Biblical evidence will make any difference to you because you have set your face against the truth and nothing will move you.

We are told that the Lord Jesus was made a curse for us. Whose curse was it? Was it just Moses shooting his mouth off? Can we just strike Deuteronomy 21:23 out of our Bibles? Or do we not have to accept that the Lord Jesus on the cross (or 'tree' - 1 Peter 2:24) was carrying the curse of God - and expiating it?

Something happened there when Jesus atoned for your sins and mine that propitiated the very wrath of God towards us, as He took full bore our judgement!

 

[Yeshua1]

No, my problem is the assumption without ANY Scriptural support that wrath was poured out upon the Son by the Father.

The shedding of blood brought forgiveness of sin, not the cross.

The purpose of the cross was the instrument of death, just as the tomb was the instrument of resurrection.

Do not the Scriptures state that Christ remained sinless while even bearing our sin?

There was no divine judgment to bring upon the Son by God.

Look at the scene from heaven’s perspective given in the revelation.

Look upon the thoughts revealed in psalm 22.

Neither place presents the Father pouring out wrath upon the Son.

Look at when God responded in wrath in the tabernacle/temple. It was never toward the sacrifice but toward one offering the sacrifice from an impure heart.
as such had to be treated by the =Father as if he was a guilty sinner!
Search the Scriptures. They do not support the thinking that God poured His wrath out upon the Son, ever!

He who knew no sin became very sin, and when he assumed on Himself the sin of His own people and became their sin bearer, even though he remained sinless, had to be treated as if was a guilty sinner!

 

[Just_Ahead]

Yes, the OP is referencing the monumental multi-volume work The Fundamentals, not one of the several simplistic 'Five Points of Fundamentalism' contrivances. Unfortunately a couple of early uninformed posts sent this thread far afield.

The Fundamentals - Wikipedia

"The Fundamentals: A Testimony To The Truth (generally referred to simply as The Fundamentals) is a set of ninety essays published between 1910 and 1915....editors: A. C. Dixon, Louis Meyer, and R. A. Torrey....It is widely considered to be the foundation of modern Christian fundamentalism."

Jerome--thanks for trying to get this thread back on track.

 

[Yeshua1]

Jerome--thanks for trying to get this thread back on track.

Have you read those books?

 

[Just_Ahead]

Have you read those books?

No, I have never read the collection of 90 essays commonly referred to as "The Fundamentals."

However, I ordered the collection for my kindle because I want to take the time and effort to read these classic essays that I have heard about for many decades. It will be my intent to make posts as I read the collection on my kindle.

This morning I read the following.

List of titles and authors of the 90 chapters (articles).

Reads like a hall of fame of some of the famous fundamentalists of years past.​

Introduction: About the Fundamentals.

Presents the name of the original series -- "The Fundamentals: A Testimony to the Truth," as well as the 12 titles of the volumes as they were published from 1910 to 1915 by the Bible Institute of Los Angeles, edited by A. C. Dixon and later Reuben Archer Torrey. The 90 essays were written by 64 authors and financed by Lyman Stewart in 1909. The intent was to send free copies of the essays as published to ministers, missionaries, Sunday School superintendents, and others active in Christian ministry.​

Chapter 1 (Essay 1): The History of the Higher Criticism, by Dyson Hague, Wycliffe College.

Hague begins by describing the two distinct terms "higher criticism" and "lower criticism." The essay then is broken down into the following sections.

Why is higher criticism identified with unbelief?
Subjective conclusions
German fancies
Anti-supernaturalists
The origin of the movement
The German critics
The Brittish-American critics
The views of the continental critics
The leaders were rationalists
The school of compromise
The point in a nutshell
The critics' theory
A discredited Pentateuch
A discredited Old Testament
A discredited Bible
The real difficulty
A revolutionary theory
If not Moses, who?
No final authority
What of Christ's authority
After the Kenosis
Not obscurantists
The scholarship argument
A great mistake
Not all on one side​

Until my next post --

Chapter 2: The Mosaic authorship of the Pentateuch, written by George Frederick Wright, Oberlin College.​

 

[Yeshua1]

No, I have never read the collection of 90 essays commonly referred to as "The Fundamentals."

However, I ordered the collection for my kindle because I want to take the time and effort to read these classic essays that I have heard about for many decades. It will be my intent to make posts as I read the collection on my kindle.

This morning I read the following.

List of titles and authors of the 90 chapters (articles).

Reads like a hall of fame of some of the famous fundamentalists of years past.​

Introduction: About the Fundamentals.

Presents the name of the original series -- "The Fundamentals: A Testimony to the Truth," as well as the 12 titles of the volumes as they were published from 1910 to 1915 by the Bible Institute of Los Angeles, edited by A. C. Dixon and later Reuben Archer Torrey. The 90 essays were written by 64 authors and financed by Lyman Stewart in 1909. The intent was to send free copies of the essays as published to ministers, missionaries, Sunday School superintendents, and others active in Christian ministry.​

Chapter 1 (Essay 1): The History of the Higher Criticism, by Dyson Hague, Wycliffe College.

Hague begins by describing the two distinct terms "higher criticism" and "lower criticism." The essay then is broken down into the following sections.

Why is higher criticism identified with unbelief?
Subjective conclusions
German fancies
Anti-supernaturalists
The origin of the movement
The German critics
The Brittish-American critics
The views of the continental critics
The leaders were rationalists
The school of compromise
The point in a nutshell
The critics' theory
A discredited Pentateuch
A discredited Old Testament
A discredited Bible
The real difficulty
A revolutionary theory
If not Moses, who?
No final authority
What of Christ's authority
After the Kenosis
Not obscurantists
The scholarship argument
A great mistake
Not all on one side​

Until my next post --

Chapter 2: The Mosaic authorship of the Pentateuch, written by George Frederick Wright, Oberlin College.​

Been over 100 years. and yet still we have to fight back against those in the Church who wish to be liberal/critical and tear apart Bible, Mosaic authorship etc!