The Galatians fight back

Hi Larry;
Your explanation; it makes it sound like the dead is still living. Spiritual death is separation from God. It is not a loss of consciousness or ceasing to exist. Being born of the spirit is coming to know Christ again. a reconnection with God.
May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;
Mike

 

If you will read Romans Chapters 6 through 8 you will see the process of being born again through the Spirit. You should notice there is a lot there about you yourself "yielding" to the Spirit. There is talk about not "letting" sin reign in you... and so on. You are supposed to be "baptised" by allowing self (the old man of sin) to die and then allowing God to raise up the new man. Note also that this doesnt mean we should just continue on in sin as we were before (which unfortunately is a common Christian belief today). Romans 6:6: "Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin."

You've got to "die" before you can live or be "born" again. This is what Jesus Himself meant here: Jn:12:24: "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit."


Romans 6:
12: Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13: Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14: For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15: What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16: Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Romans 8:13: For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.


If you will read this, it might help you to understand the process:
http://www.religiouscounterfeits.org/romans_chapter7.htm


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Claudia Thompson
http://www.religiouscounterfeits.org

 

You cant be born again unless you love one another, which is the true sign that you are a new creature in Christ...

I John 4:
6: We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
7: Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

8: He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

and this "knowing God" or being born again is the same as keeping the commandments which is love.. (see Romans 13:8-10)


1Jn:2:3: And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1Jn:2:4: He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

God does write His law in our hearts if we let Him... Like Romans 6 through 8 says, we must yield to the Holy Spirit...

Jer:31:33: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Christ is ready to set us free from sin, but He does not force the will; and if by persistent transgression the will itself is wholly bent on evil, and we do not desire to be set free, if we will not accept His grace, what more can He do? We have destroyed ourselves by our determined rejection of His love. "Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation." "Today if ye will hear His voice, harden not your hearts." 2 Corinthians 6:2; Hebrews 3:7, 8.

But true heartfelt repentance, is beyond the reach of our own power to accomplish; it is obtained only from Christ. Jesus has said, "I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto Me." John 12:32. Christ must be revealed to the sinner as the Saviour dying for the sins of the world; and as we behold the Lamb of God upon the cross of Calvary, the mystery of redemption begins to unfold to our minds and the goodness of God leads us to repentance. In dying for sinners, Christ manifested a love that is incomprehensible; and as the sinner beholds this love, it softens the heart, impresses the mind, and inspires contrition in the soul.

 

Hello Claudia_T. Nice to meet you.

This sentence is a bit confusing to me. Do you put loving one another as having to be occurring before, (unless), or after you are born again please?
Are you saying that if love between the brothers is missing then this means that these are not born again?

johnp.

 

No johnp, she is agreeing with you, it is love, a fruit of the spirit, that is readily the leading fruit for one who has submitted to the Christ.

 

No it doesn't.

Careful, you are sounding like a Calvinist.

 

Hi Larry;

Yes it does;

As if Calvinist have a coner on truth
Stick around Larry the truth won't hurt, honest!
May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;
Mike

 

No it doesn't.

They happen to be right on soteriology.

Having lived in the truth for more than 10 years now, I know that first hand. I hope one day you will experience the freedom of living in the truth as well.

He already has. You just have to believe it.

 

Still waiting ILL !!!

Come on ! Show me how much you ACTUALLY know about this subject!! I'm going to hound you till you show me. ILL... every post! On every topic I'm going to hound you, I've cought you in a lie and am going to hold you accountable brother! And this is just typical of your Bible study also.. making unlearned claims as fact with no truth or proper study to back it up. Which council condemns Calvinism? ...

Where are you ILL ?

 

What lie would that be...specifically?

 

He (ILL) stated that Calvinism was condemned as heresy in church history (the councils and synods) .. I asked him to please back that up... shouldn't be to hard... if it's true...

 

I was reading a WEB page just the other day that mentioned something about an old church writing that described Calvin's teachings as Heretical. But then it branched a bit and said that everything but Calvinism is heretical. It seems the tone was definitely Pro-Calvin on that WEBpage, so I didn't stick around long enough to catch whatever it was they had! But it got real ugly, real quick!

 

Well, that didn't hold water.
I'm not talking about a little individual church a couple hundred years ago. I'm talking about the leaders of the church worldwide! The church as a whole.... The synod of Dort alone had over 300 pastors from over all of Europe and Africa.

 

Hi Larry;

I do Larry it was you that I had hoped would see the light
May Christ Shine His Light On You;
Mike

 

You apparently don't, or are playing the devil's advocate here. Everytime a scriptural truth (the light of God) is put forth, you argue against it. That is unfortunate and misguided.

 

Hi Larry;
What you call light is very dark, because it is misguided. Every claim of Calvinism has been proven to be darkness. Men who love darkness are reluctant to give up there comfort zone and come to the light. They sit in the dark hating the light because what they think is not light. I wouldn't bet my soul on the false doctrine of Calvinism. I believe in Christ Jesus and I rely on Him. Not some dead men one of which has been dead some 1800 years. not only that both were Catholics. Calvin Himself said " There is no Salvation apart from the church" Salvation is not of any Church but of Christ. Oh I know you don't believe Calvin. I wonder why you follow him then. Bitterness shows Larry
May Christ Shine His Light On Us all;
Mike

 

Mike,

You are wrong and completely out of line. You have yet to prove even one claim of Calvinism wrong, at least here. If you have proven it wrong, then you should post it here for evaluation. So far,you haven't given anything here remotely damaging to Calvinism.

You have constantly and repeatedly been shown the truth about what we believe and you have distorted it, made it up, and misrepresented it. You have repeatedly shown yourself to not even know what Calvinism actually teaches. This post was a great example. You think CAlvinism is about following Calvin. That is a gross misconception and you have been around long enough to know better. You may have come here truly ignorant about it, but you can no longer say that. You have been here for more than a year and you know very well that that is not true. Calvinism is not about following Calvin. Calvinism is about following Christ. He taught these doctrines long before Calvin. He is the one who said "My sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me." He is the one who talked about his elect coming to him.

For you to suggest that we are living in darkness is completely unacceptable. You know better. You have been exposed to the truth about what we believe and you have been shown the biblical reasons. You have no excuses. You can disagree, but you cannot honestly say it is darkness.

There are some issues on this on which good men can disagree. To be honest, I don't doubt that one can be saved while being an arminian. I think they can. I don't say they are living in darkness. And you should not say that about someone who disagrees with you. Your approach has been addressed before. It is time for you to change it.

 

Amen.

 

Larry,
Likewise, neither you, nor rc, nor johnp have proven that Calvinism is biblical! And since you refuse to accept the evidence given by Non-Calvinists, there will be no agreement reached anywhere. Just more arguing!

 

Wes,

We have shown that every part of man is affected by sin. We have shown that God chose individuals to be saved without any prior condition. We have shown that Christ died to save people. We have shown that the difference between the saved and unsaved is "the call." We have shown that true saving faith does not die. All of that is biblical, and we have given more than adequate support for it. You can call it by whatever name you like. I don't really care. Just agree on the truth of it.

I have yet to see any evidence from a non-Calvinist that was overrode what I believe Scripture teaches. So why should I abandon what I believe Scripture teaches in favor of something that I don't believe Scripture teaches? If you have evidence that you think refutes what I have said, then please put it forth. I have been here since the beginning of this forum and have yet to see anything that is convincing.

But my post was not directed at that specifically, but more at Mike's demeanor. He continually refuses to accept what we say we believe. He makes up what he wants us to believe and then tries to refute that. That needs to change. Many other do that as well and they need to change also. Mike has just been the most egregious violator recently.