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Featured The genuine gospel is neither Arminian nor Calvinist

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by AndThisGospel, Jan 9, 2017.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    That is what Paul taught!
     
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    Our friend sounds like a young Barth, as he holds Christian Universalism also!
     
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    If the Bible actualylt taught that, yes we would believe it, as God is free to do what He wants, but the truth is as you outlined it!
     
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    Do you hold to Christian Universalism then? Or to eternal Justification?
     
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  5. AndThisGospel

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    Christ has saved "all men" in Himself (that univseralsim), but not all will accept His finished work. Ultimately only those who accept the gospel will be eternally secure.

    1 Tim 4:10 To this end we labor and strive, because we have set our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe.
     
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    IF Jesus death secured reconcliation between God and Man for all sinnrs, how can those not saved still be lost, and at war with God then?
     
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    Free-will....They can resist God. Roman 1 tells how. Would you like to go over this now?
     
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    None have real free will, so the elect will choose Christ, the lost will chooe to stay in sins, as our natures limit wht we can choose to do!
     
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    What sort of god needs man's permission? That was written to a church, not to individuals. The Lord had said previously, "Those whom I love, I rebuke and chasten.......' The words are written to backslidden Christians, not to unbelievers.
     
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    If the human race is not saved, then God has not saved it, QED.
     
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    I still wonder what Gospel he is preaching here, as not found in my Bible!
     
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    So according to you, when God saved me, was I saved? Yes or no?

    This is what the word of God says: For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another. But when the kindness and the love of God toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy He saved us.........' Whom did He save? Paul and Titus. No one else is mentioned. How did He save them? '........Through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour' (Titus 3:3-6). Washing and renewal = water and Spirit (John 3:5). God saves us by giving us new birth. How much say did we get about our first birth? None. How much say do we get about our second birth? None. It is all of God and none of us. Is there any mention of Paul or Titus getting a say in whether they were saved or not? No.

    'Salvation belongs to our God who sits upon the throne and to the Lamb.' It does not belong to sinful man, because if it did there would be no one saved (John 6:44 again and Romans 3:10-18).
     
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    He seems to hold to eternnal justification and a Barth like view on extent of the atonement!
     
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    But, Yeshua, God's Spirit strives with all men....The elect are simply those who receive the gospel. Don't muddy the water....
     
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    Fair enough....You are right...that's the context
     
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    The Adamic race answered the demands of God's law by the doing of Christ because our corporate fallen life was in Him via the incarnation.
     
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    The Holy Spirit does NOTstrive with all snners, just the ones God chose to save in Christ!
     
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    John 16:8 when He comes, will convict the world (the human race) concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me; 11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.

    Clearly God's Spirit does strive with all sinners. Please be honest in your replies.
     
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    John 3:19 This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.

    Apparently God does strive with all men, but instead of loving the light, they (the unbeliever) love darkness.

    Again, your theology is wrong.
     
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    Gen 6:3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh (sinful): yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

    120 years later there was a global flood. The point is God's Spirit was striving with sinners, but they did not repent:

    Again, your theology is off...it is in error. You need to seriously set aside Calvin and study the Bible for yourself.
     
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