The Gift Ministries

[HankD]

Shhhh...let's keep that quiet.
Now we gotta hide you from the Ruskies!
I know nuthingk!
I see nuthingk!

Brothers! Let's throw a feint!
You bros go that way, you bros go that way...c'mon, into the mouse hole in the corner. They'll never find you there!

Well, proud to know a warrior.

You're in God's Army, now.
And in rank the Lord has our front.
Our brother's have our back!
Amen?

(now I KNOW you're not a fink.)

Amen (I guess)

 

[Yeshua1]

1 Cor. 12
4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; 5 and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; 6 and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone.

Please review this and hear what i'm saying. Modern day apostles are not writing Scripture. They are building works where no man has laid a foundation of Christ. They are organizing believers, helping pastors/teachers/evangelists/prophets do the work God called them to do in a specific area. Read 1-2 Timothy and Titus as Letters to an apostle, not letters to a pastor. They will make more sense

Soyou see them as missionaries, but not as the original Apostles?

 

[Yeshua1]

Apostles are sent ones, brother.

Missionaries, but not Apostles in the strict sense of the NT term!

 

[Yeshua1]

Let's not forget Luke and Barnabas. Apostles.

Yes, as Luke wrote Luke and Acts, and some say Barnabus wrote Hebrews!

 

[Yeshua1]

Hello Jermiah1five,

How are you dear brother.

When I took Ephesians as an intensive under Dr. Rick Melick, an SBC NT scholar of note, at Mid America Baptist Seminary back in the olden days; he taught us that this was the passage that discussed the "gifted men (offices)" of the Church. There were five described as you have laid out but only four offices that come from the five: Prophet, Apostle, Evangelist, Pastors, and Teachers.

When I took my Greek I learned of the Granville Sharp's Rule, thus there are only two offices for this time period. The offices of Prophet and Apostle have been fulfilled or done away (depends on how you study it?). And the two offices left are the office of Evangelist and Pastor-Teacher. Pastor-Teacher being the same office of the leadership of the Church. So we are left with only Evangelist and Pastor-Teachers for the Church age. I know I have not explained this well but you get the gist of what I say I hope?

I know I will have a great deal of "push back" so let me have it. And I have not studied enough to change my opinion of what I have stated. So, let me have it!! I know you will.

Read and enjoy!

sdg!

rd

Your understanding would be the biblical one!

 

[Yeshua1]

I met Christ personally.

Are you claiming that you have seen Him?

 

[jeremiah1five]

You know what...
I can say in a dream I had...

yes.
But I am not an apostle.

 

[Rhetorician]

Your understanding would be the biblical one!

Y1,

That would be an amen then?

sdg!

rd

 

[Squire Robertsson]

As the OP is now on a mandatory vacation from the Board, this thread is closed.