The Golden Chain Part II

[Van]

Your 13 verses have nothing to do with God first electing, adopting, and predestining believers. God indeed pours out blessing upon those whom he has given faith to believe. It's His gift. Why wouldn't he pour out blessings on those who exhibit the gift God gave them?

God chooses individuals by way of grace. He gives these individuals faith, which God counts as righteousness.

Yes the verses indicate election for salvation is through faith.

Interpretive translations - decryption version
Romans 3:25
God set forth Christ Jesus as the means of reconciliation by way of your credited faith in His blood, to demonstrate God's righteousness because God withheld the penalty for our previously committed sins.

Here God uses the "faith path" to bestow reconciliation upon guilty sinners.

Romans 3:30
since indeed God who will justify the Jewish circumcised based on their credited faith and the Gentile uncircumcised by way of their credited faith is undivided and consistent.

Here God uses the "faith path" to bestow justification upon Jews and Gentiles alike.

Romans 3:31
Then are we nullifying the Law by way of your credited faith? May it never be! Rather, we are sustaining the Law.

Here God uses the "faith path" to sustain the Law.

2 Corinthians 5:7
for we live and walk according to the way of our credited faith, not by sight.

Here I think our subsequent faithful walk with Christ following our rebirth is in view.

Galatians 3:14
in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham would come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit by way of our credited faith.

Here God uses the "faith path" to bestow the promised Spirit.

Galatians 3:26
For you are all children of God by way of your credited faith in Christ Jesus.

Here God uses the "faith path" to cause believers to be spiritually born anew.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved by way of your credited faith; and this salvation is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

Here God uses the "faith path" to select and save some of the lost and fallen according to His Redemption plan.

Ephesians 3:17
that Christ may dwell in your hearts by way of your credited faith so that, because you have been rooted and grounded in love,

Here God uses the "faith path" to seal us within Christ with the Spirit of Christ, such that we are in Christ and Christ is in us.

Colossians 2:12
having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised with Him by way of your credited faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

Here God puts believers into Christ's spiritual body, our spiritual baptism.

2 Timothy 3:15
and how from infancy you have known the holy writings, which are able to give you wisdom that leads to salvation by way of your credited faith in Christ Jesus.

Hebrews 6:12
so that you may not be sluggish, but imitators of those who by way of their credited faith and perseverance inherit the promises.

Here our promised redemption of our bodies (our predestined adoption) is through faith.

Hebrews 11:33
By way of their approved faith they conquered kingdoms, administered justice, gained what was promised, shut the mouths of lions,

1 Peter 1:5
who by God's power are protected by way of their credited faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

 

[Reformed1689]

Since a salvation through faith is not a salvation of works, the claim is false.

I didn't deny salvation through Faith Van.

 

[AustinC]

Yes the verses indicate election for salvation is through faith.

Interpretive translations - decryption version
Romans 3:25
God set forth Christ Jesus as the means of reconciliation by way of your credited faith in His blood, to demonstrate God's righteousness because God withheld the penalty for our previously committed sins.

Here God uses the "faith path" to bestow reconciliation upon guilty sinners.

Romans 3:30
since indeed God who will justify the Jewish circumcised based on their credited faith and the Gentile uncircumcised by way of their credited faith is undivided and consistent.

Here God uses the "faith path" to bestow justification upon Jews and Gentiles alike.

Romans 3:31
Then are we nullifying the Law by way of your credited faith? May it never be! Rather, we are sustaining the Law.

Here God uses the "faith path" to sustain the Law.

2 Corinthians 5:7
for we live and walk according to the way of our credited faith, not by sight.

Here I think our subsequent faithful walk with Christ following our rebirth is in view.

Galatians 3:14
in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham would come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit by way of our credited faith.

Here God uses the "faith path" to bestow the promised Spirit.

Galatians 3:26
For you are all children of God by way of your credited faith in Christ Jesus.

Here God uses the "faith path" to cause believers to be spiritually born anew.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved by way of your credited faith; and this salvation is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

Here God uses the "faith path" to select and save some of the lost and fallen according to His Redemption plan.

Ephesians 3:17
that Christ may dwell in your hearts by way of your credited faith so that, because you have been rooted and grounded in love,

Here God uses the "faith path" to seal us within Christ with the Spirit of Christ, such that we are in Christ and Christ is in us.

Colossians 2:12
having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised with Him by way of your credited faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

Here God puts believers into Christ's spiritual body, our spiritual baptism.

2 Timothy 3:15
and how from infancy you have known the holy writings, which are able to give you wisdom that leads to salvation by way of your credited faith in Christ Jesus.

Hebrews 6:12
so that you may not be sluggish, but imitators of those who by way of their credited faith and perseverance inherit the promises.

Here our promised redemption of our bodies (our predestined adoption) is through faith.

Hebrews 11:33
By way of their approved faith they conquered kingdoms, administered justice, gained what was promised, shut the mouths of lions,

1 Peter 1:5
who by God's power are protected by way of their credited faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

No, theses verses do not indicate election for salvation is by faith. If they did, you would be forced to admit that humans have faith before salvation and that God evaluates their behavior before he will elect to save them.

None of these verses imply or indicate such a teaching. Moreso, you are writing the Van translation of the Bible which is an absolutely terrible translation and should be thrown out by any serious Bible reader.

 

[Van]

No, theses verses do not indicate election for salvation is by faith. If they did, you would be forced to admit that humans have faith before salvation and that God evaluates their behavior before he will elect to save them.

None of these verses imply or indicate such a teaching. Moreso, you are writing the Van translation of the Bible which is an absolutely terrible translation and should be thrown out by any serious Bible reader.

Listen folks. "You would be forced to admit humans have faith before salvation..."

13 verses that clearly indicate God bestows blessings such as salvation by way of our existing faith as credited by God.

 

[Reformed1689]

Listen folks. "You would be forced to admit humans have faith before salvation..."

13 verses that clearly indicate God bestows blessings such as salvation by way of our existing faith as credited by God.

No, those verses say nothing about our EXISTING faith without God. You wrote that in there.

 

[Van]

No, those verses say nothing about our EXISTING faith without God. You wrote that in there.

Yet another obfuscation post to deny truth.

Here the claim is that that when faith is utilized to bestow grace, the faith does not exist. I kid you not...

Through faith or by way of faith requires existing faith.

 

[AustinC]

Yet another obfuscation post to deny truth.

Here the claim is that that when faith is utilized to bestow grace, the faith does not exist. I kid you not...

Through faith or by way of faith requires existing faith.

Van, you have it backwards. Faith is not "utilized" to bestow grace. Why? Because, if it happened that way then men would be the cause that moved God to be gracious. That is precisely what you are claiming with the word "utilize" but you just cannot see it, no matter how much one shows you your error.

Truth:
God saves by grace alone.
God gives faith through which God's gracious salvation is confirmed.
God justifies the saved individual through the faith that God has given the individual so that, like Abraham, we are justified by faith.

All of this happens because God predestined, elected, and adopted us before the foundation of the world.

God is the sole cause and our salvation, justification, sanctification, and glorification is the effect.

 

[Van]

Van, you have it backwards. Faith is not "utilized" to bestow grace. Why? Because, if it happened that way then men would be the cause that moved God to be gracious. That is precisely what you are claiming with the word "utilize" but you just cannot see it, no matter how much one shows you your error.

Truth:
God saves by grace alone.
God gives faith through which God's gracious salvation is confirmed.
God justifies the saved individual through the faith that God has given the individual so that, like Abraham, we are justified by faith.

All of this happens because God predestined, elected, and adopted us before the foundation of the world.

God is the sole cause and our salvation, justification, sanctification, and glorification is the effect.

Good grief, I know you are away of common grace that falls on everyone. Why deny the obvious with sheer denial of truth?

 

[AustinC]

Good grief, I know you are away of common grace that falls on everyone. Why deny the obvious with sheer denial of truth?

Your comment here makes zero sense.

 

[Van]

Your comment here makes zero sense.

Note the use of the logical fallacy of personal incredulity. Common grace is common knowledge.

 

[AustinC]

Note the use of the logical fallacy of personal incredulity. Common grace is common knowledge.

Meaning that God doesn't kill us instantly for our rebellion? That's common mercy, which God grants to humans until they die, in which case God condemns all who are not bought and paid for by the blood of the Lamb.
Grace is given by unmerited favor to the elect whom God adopted before the foundation of the world and established his New Covenant with the elect at the time of His choosing.

Why do you lift up humans instead of Christ, Van? Do you not know that God causes all his elect to be adopted, saved, justified, sanctified, and glorified? Are you unaware of what God does without us ever meriting anything?

Why do you sneak around grace and attempt to add works to God's choice?

 

[Van]

'Both Calvinists and Arminians generally accept the concept of common grace in that there are undeserved blessings which God extends to all humankind.' For anyone to claim Falselogy does not admit to "common grace" is to run from the actual doctrine.

Why do Falselogy advocates trample on the very word of God. God says He credits the faith of some as righteous faith. Romans 4:4-5 and Romans 4:23-25.

If you are unaware of the verse that says God "adopted" individuals before creation, you are not alone.