"The Good Pleasure of His Will"

[Alan Gross]

Ah the false history ploy, long time no see.

Neither Alan nor you can nullify 1 Peter 2:9-10. To claim it does not say once you were not a [chosen] people, is twaddle.

In the I Peter 2:10a portion, "10 Which in time past were not a people";

To add [chosen] to 'people' is not in the Original Language.

To add [chosen] to 'people' is not 'a Translation'.

To add [chosen] to 'people' is not an antecedent of a pronoun, for example, because there is no pronoun to make answer.

To add [chosen] to 'people' is not Grammatically possible,

because God and The Bible are silent on the addition of [chosen] to 'people'

The argument from silence is irrational.

If we were to assume that the words, "a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people" that are used in I Peter 2:9 are the same words that must be able to be substituted for the one word, 'people', in I Peter 2:10 and say, "10 Which in time past were not 'a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people' but are now the people of God: i.e., 'a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people', it would be contextually impossible.

Jesus, here, is Given as an Illustration of the 'chosen Elect', because Jesus Was Elected, just as His Earthly Body was Elected to Have the Presence of The Second Person of The Eternal Triune Godhead Live in it, i.e., "Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:" Hebrews 10:5.

So, Jesus Was Elected, as this Passage Says in the Context, and it Wasn't AFTER A BODY WAS PREPARED FOR HIM that later, during His Earthly Ministry, the Word Elect, or Chosen Came into Play for Him.

I Peter 2:6 "Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Zion a chief Cornerstone, elect, precious; and he that believeth on Him shall not be confounded. 7 "Unto you, therefore, who believe He is precious; but unto them who are {be} disobedient, the Stone Which the builders disallowed, the same is made the Head of the corner,"

However, verse 8 has a clincher word, in Context, which makes adding 'chosen' to 'people' in the first part of I Peter 2:10 impossible, Contextually.

8 And a Stone of stumbling, and a Rock of offence, even to them who stumble at the word, being disobedient; whereunto also they were appointed."

The word is, "appointed".

The lost souls, to whom Jesus was a Stone of Stumbling, were not 'Chosen' during their lifetime, any more than Jesus was 'Chosen' to be "a chief Cornerstone, elect, precious", AFTER GOD HAD PREPARED A BODY FOR HIM.

The lost were "appointed".

Gill:
1 Peter 2:10a

Which in time were not a people,.... A "Loammi" being put upon them; see Hosea 1:9 to which the apostle here refers:

God's elect, whether among Jews or Gentiles, were, from eternity, his chosen people, and his covenant people; and, as such, were given to Christ, and they became his people, and his care and charge; and he saved them by his obedience, sufferings, and death, and redeemed them to himself, a peculiar people:

but then, before conversion, they are not a people formed by God for himself, and his praise;

nor Christ's willing people, either to be saved by him, or to serve him; nor are they, nor can they be truly known by themselves, or others, to be the people of God:

the Syriac version gives the true sense of the phrase, by rendering it "these who before were not" "reckoned or accounted a people"; that is, by others:

 

[Iconoclast]

Ah the false history ploy, long time no see.

Neither Alan nor you can nullify 1 Peter 2:9-10. To claim it does not say once you were not a [chosen] people, is twaddle.

We do not have to nullify it. We know from Hosea what it actually means. Thanks for playing

 

[Alan Gross]

We do not have to nullify it. We know from Hosea what it actually means. Thanks for playing

Wow. Very cool! BIBLE READING!!!!! AWESOME! PRAISE GOD!

 

[Van]

In the I Peter 2:10a portion, "10 Which in time past were not a people";

To add [chosen] to 'people' is not in the Original Language.
Snip

Repeating a falsehood does not make it true. Anyone can read the passage, 1 Peter 2:9-10

9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

Obviously the "you" were chosen for God's own possession after they had lived "not a people, but now (after being chosen) you are the people of God.

 

[Van]

We do not have to nullify it. We know from Hosea what it actually means. Thanks for playing

I know what it says, it says we lived not as a chosen people before we were individually chosen to be a people for God's own possession. Note, the concept is chosen, not saved.

This passage precludes the election of Ephesians 1:4 from being individual, therefore it is corporate, when the Redeemer was chosen, those He would redeem were chosen corporately, thus "in Him."

 

[Yeshua1]

I know what it says, it says we lived not as a chosen people before we were individually chosen to be a people for God's own possession. Note, the concept is chosen, not saved.

This passage precludes the election of Ephesians 1:4 from being individual, therefore it is corporate, when the Redeemer was chosen, those He would redeem were chosen corporately, thus "in Him."

Jesus died on an individual basis, as my substitute directly!

 

[Van]

Jesus died on an individual basis, as my substitute directly!

1Ti 2:4
who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

1Ti 2:6
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Since God desires all men to be saved, Christ died to provide the propitiation or means of salvation, not only for us, but for the whole world. 1 John 2:2

However, to be reconciled to God, God puts those of His individual choosing into Christ, based on crediting their faith as righteousness.

 

[Yeshua1]

1Ti 2:4
who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

1Ti 2:6
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Since God desires all men to be saved, Christ died to provide the propitiation or means of salvation, not only for us, but for the whole world. 1 John 2:2

However, to be reconciled to God, God puts those of His individual choosing into Christ, based on crediting their faith as righteousness.

God intended the death of Christ to propiate the wrath towards just his own elect in Christ!

 

[Alan Gross]

Repeating a falsehood does not make it true. Anyone can read the passage, 1 Peter 2:9-10

9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

Obviously the "you" were chosen for God's own possession after they had lived "not a people, but now (after being chosen) you are the people of God.

If God Had Wanted to Eliminate Jesus as The Savior in His Writings, then He Could Have Not included the Words, "are", or were" where He did in this Bible Passage, the way you did in your re-writing of The Bible:

Obviously the "you" were chosen for God's own possession after they had lived "not a people, but now (after being chosen) you are the people of God.

You changed the "are" and "were" around, to "were" and "now", with "are" implied.

The Motive?

If God Had Wanted to Eliminate Jesus as The Savior in His Writings, then He Could Have Not included the Words, "are", or were" where He did in this Bible Passage,

which are the opposite of the the way you did in your re-writing of The Bible.

Other than attempting to eliminate Jesus as the Savior and Deny that Jesus is The Savior...that and...

....your "other disagreements" will be with "the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms. Ephesians 1:3

4 “For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world".

'God' Chose you after you were alive, because you and Not Jesus, are your Savior. You did it.

'God' is not even Big Enough to Tell You What He Did.

Wrong 'God' that's all.

Same with all the other Passages that Bring you Glory.

If there is some other explanation to why 'reading' is Spiritually Blind to you, I am open for what that could possibly be.

...your "other disagreements" will be with "the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms. Ephesians 1:3

4 “For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world".

Your motive is, simply, to deny: "the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms."

 

[Van]

God intended the death of Christ to propiate the wrath towards just his own elect in Christ!

Not what scripture says.

 

[Yeshua1]

Not what scripture says.

So the wrath of God was propiated for all sinners then now?

 

[Van]

If God Had Wanted to Eliminate Jesus
Snip

I can read, and you can read, so you are probably aware of what the verse says, and are intent on making scripture to no effect.

Peter 2:9-10

9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

Obviously the "you" were chosen for God's own possession after they had lived "not a people, but now (after being chosen) you are the people of God.

 

[Van]

So the wrath of God was propitiated for all sinners then now?

So you believe God put all mankind into Christ, rather than just those of His choosing?

Or were you asking a question to misrepresent my position?

 

[Yeshua1]

So the wrath of God was propitiated for all sinners then now?

So you believe God put all mankind into Christ, rather than just those of His choosing?

Or were you asking a question to misrepresent my position?

I was asking what you held regarding that question!

 

[Alan Gross]

God intended the death of Christ to propiate the wrath towards just his own elect in Christ!

Jesus Didn't just Die for Jewish descendants, is the Teaching of these two Scriptures:

1Ti 2:4
who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

1Ti 2:6
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

No Scripture in The Bible Teaches: "God desires all men to be saved",

Jesus Didn't just Die for Jewish descendants, is the Teaching of this Scripture, referenced:

Christ died to provide the propitiation or means of salvation, not only for us, but for the whole world. 1 John 2:2

Matthew 1:21 Teaches Plainly who Jesus Died for.

Your testimony is that you are your Savior.

Your testimony is that Jesus Christ is Not The Savior.

This is your testimony:

'However, to be reconciled to God, God puts those of His individual choosing into Christ, based on crediting their faith as righteousness.'

Therefore, with regard to God 'Choosing', you have taken it upon yourself to add 'Chosen' to 'people', in I Peter 2:10;

to add "were", in place of "are", in I Peter 2:9,

and to add, "not" to I Peter 2:10, to make it, "are not",
instead of "are.

1.) Did you know you need to do that?
1b.) adding and
1c.) subtracting, at the good pleasure of your will from God's Eternal Word.

2a.) Are you sure you want to do that?

3a.) Do you know you are asking The Trice-Holy God of The Universe to credit your faith as righteousness?,
3b.) & to then Choose you on that bases,
3c.) in order to reconcile your lost soul back to God?

4.) And did you know that in addition to adding and subtracting, at the good pleasure of your will from God's Eternal Word, you are also dependent upon the unmitigated misinterpretation of the word, "all"?

Weak stuff on which to base your Eternity.
Doesn't even appear as if you take Eternity the least bit seriously.

 

[loDebar]

"The doctrine of Election" is vague. Do you mean God chooses individuals for salvation? That is true. Do you mean God chose individuals before creation for salvation? That is false. 1 Peter 2:9-10 teaches we lived not as a chosen people during our lifetime, and then we lived as a chosen people. Thus our individual election occurred during our lifetime, and not before creation.

I know you made a ton of other points, but try to defend this one, then if you like we can move on to other disagreements.
1 Peter 2:9-10
9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. (NASB)

We were once sinners who had rejected God

 

[Alan Gross]

We were once sinners who had rejected God

Lo, I think these Passages, with Royle purple emphasis, should Ring True, in Ephesians 2:1-10, based on what has been discussed on the Thread, "The Good Pleasure of His Will". King James Bible: Purple (The Lord's Names in Bold Black) Letter Edition:

1 And you hath He made alive {quickened}, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2 In which in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the sons {children} of disobedience;

3 Among whom also we all had our manner of life {conversation} in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

4 But God, Who is rich in mercy, for His great love with which {wherewith} He loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath made alive {quickened} us together with Christ (by grace ye are saved),

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus;

7 That in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God;

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

 

[loDebar]

You were a sinner before you were saved. Being made" quicked" is not salvation but being human as Jesus was

Heb 2:14

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

 

[Van]

I was asking what you held regarding that question!

My answer is 1 John 2:2. Propitiation of God toward an individual occurs when a person is transferred into Christ.

 

[Van]

We were once sinners who had rejected God

What verse or passage says or suggests every sinner "had rejected God?"

Thanks