"The Good Pleasure of His Will"

[The Archangel]

Sin, is disobedience to a God who is a Spirit. We worship (and sin) spiritually or with our souls, The part of us that is able to respond to things of God not the physical stimuli. We cannot respond to a hurt knee with our souls

Ananias and Saphira would disagree, as does the rest of scripture.

The Archangel


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[loDebar]

Ananias and Saphira would disagree, as does the rest of scripture.

The Archangel


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They would not now nor does scripture. "The soul that sinneth, it shall die."

You disagree with scripture..
You can sin without the body being involved, or doing nothing

Jas 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth itnot, to him it is sin

 

[The Archangel]

They would not now nor does scripture. "The soul that sinneth, it shall die."

You disagree with scripture..
You can sin without the body being involved, or doing nothing

But that isn’t the issue is it. You’ve said we don’t sin in the body. Clearly Ananias and Saphira did—they lied to God. Was the soul involves? Sure. But was that sin in the body and was it judged immediately? Yes, absolutely.

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[loDebar]

But that isn’t the issue is it. You’ve said we don’t sin in the body. Clearly Ananias and Saphira did—they lied to God. Was the soul involves? Sure. But was that sin in the body and was it judged immediately? Yes, absolutely.

The Archangel


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not in the body I believe I said or meant but the body does not sins, the soul sins, the spirit sins not the physical

 

[The Archangel]

not in the body I believe I said or meant but the body does not sins, the soul sins, the spirit sins not the physical

Frankly what you believe doesn’t matter if it is going against what is clearly seen in scripture. Clearly Ananias and Saphira were in their bodies, they clearly sinned by lying to God, they were clearly judged by God for that sin in the body at that present time. Your entire argument fails due to this one passage of scripture. The passages in Jon cannot mean what you want them to mean, unless scripture contradicts itself.

The Archangel


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[loDebar]

Frankly what you believe doesn’t matter if it is going against what is clearly seen in scripture. Clearly Ananias and Saphira were in their bodies, they clearly sinned by lying to God, they were clearly judged by God for that sin in the body at that present time. Your entire argument fails due to this one passage of scripture. The passages in Jon cannot mean what you want them to mean, unless scripture contradicts itself.

The Archangel


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wrong, It is not from only one passage but several .
I gave you the words of Jesus, why is not that enough? He plainly says one can sin without using their body, He plainly says if the body keeps you from believing cut off your hand. He plainly says the body and spirit are two different things.
Jhn 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which isborn of the Spirit is spirit.
We are born of the flesh we must be born again.... of the spirit two separate things.

Scripture does not contradict scripture, we have here a misunderstanding and misapplication of scripture to elevate the physical equal or more important than the spiritual.
It is not

 

[The Archangel]

wrong, It is not from only one passage but several .
I gave you the words of Jesus, why is not that enough? He plainly says one can sin without using their body, He plainly says if the body keeps you from believing cut off your hand. He plainly says the body and spirit are two different things.
Jhn 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which isborn of the Spirit is spirit.
We are born of the flesh we must be born again.... of the spirit two separate things.

You gave the words of Jesus ripped from their context.

The Archangel


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[loDebar]

You gave the words of Jesus ripped from their context.

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In context, and I he application was used in context.

Act 5:3

But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

Is this use of heart your problem with the verses?

 

[The Archangel]

In context, and I he application was used in context.

Act 5:3

But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

Is this use of heart your problem with the verses?

No. The heart sins in the body. We are judged for the sins we commit in the body. Paul even goes so far as to say sexual sins are sins against one’s own body. So your idea of “we aren’t judged for sins in the body” is clearly against scripture.

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[loDebar]

I did not mean to start you off on the wrong foot,, but certainly we are accountable for the things done in this body, good and bad. but my body is physical it does not sin which is spiritual. The soul/spirit of a man sin and we are accountable for it. We are condemned already, our soul was a sinner before we had a body.

There is one verse that mention sin and flesh and that is fornication, Where the act hurts the body as well.

The flesh is not judged for sin but the inner person, the spirit and soul

 

[The Archangel]

I did not mean to start you off on the wrong foot

To be clear here, I was never on the wrong foot in this discussion.

certainly we are accountable for the things done in this body, good and bad. but my body is physical it does not sin which is spiritual.

These two statements are contradictory.

The soul/spirit of a man sin and we are accountable for it.

The soul sins in the body.

our soul was a sinner before we had a body.

This is simply fantasy.

The Archangel

 

[loDebar]

nope., You physical body does not sin. The body is not accountable for spiritual sin

Mic 6:7

Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? shall I give my firstborn formy transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?

1Co 6:18

Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

 

[The Archangel]

nope., You physical body does not sin. The body is not accountable for spiritual sin

Mic 6:7

Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? shall I give my firstborn formy transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?

1Co 6:18

Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

Then why, again, does Jesus say that your right hand or your right eye can cause you to sin?

And, of course, what do you do with this passage:

[28] And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. (Matthew 10:28 ESV)​

God is destroying both body and soul of the unbeliever in hell. That kind of shoots your whole theory.

The Archangel

 

[loDebar]

Then why, again, does Jesus say that your right hand or your right eye can cause you to sin?

And, of course, what do you do with this passage:

[28] And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. (Matthew 10:28 ESV)​

God is destroying both body and soul of the unbeliever in hell. That kind of shoots your whole theory.

The Archangel

We are in a place of the dead, now Satan can destroy us here.Prevent us from the Gospel .
Flesh and blood are not in the afterlife

 

[The Archangel]

We are in a place of the dead, now Satan can destroy us here.Prevent us from the Gospel .
Flesh and blood are not in the afterlife

Oh my! You do realize that Jesus is talking about God as the one who can "destroy both body and soul," right? He's not referencing Satan, but the Father.

Also, Jesus is clearly talking about Hell, not simply the place of the dead. Hell--the eternal place of those who do not trust Christ--is talked about as a physical bodily existence because the body is being "destroyed."

And, if "we are in the place of the dead" currently, then why does David say he will see his son (the one with Bathsheba, the one who died shortly after birth) in Sheol, which is the place of the dead? Are their two places of the dead?

In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, do we honestly think Lazarus is asking to go back to the place of the dead from.... the place of the dead?

The Archangel

 

[loDebar]

Oh my! You do realize that Jesus is talking about God as the one who can "destroy both body and soul," right? He's not referencing Satan, but the Father.

Also, Jesus is clearly talking about Hell, not simply the place of the dead. Hell--the eternal place of those who do not trust Christ--is talked about as a physical bodily existence because the body is being "destroyed."

And, if "we are in the place of the dead" currently, then why does David say he will see his son (the one with Bathsheba, the one who died shortly after birth) in Sheol, which is the place of the dead? Are their two places of the dead?

In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, do we honestly think Lazarus is asking to go back to the place of the dead from.... the place of the dead?

The Archangel

I have not considered He was speaking of the Father,

The grave is a place of the dead, Jesus said let the dead bury their dead about living people so plainly this place has "dead" people

There is physical dead as you show but there is spiritually dead, The spirit is eternal the body is not

 

[The Archangel]

I have not considered He was speaking of the Father,

The grave is a place of the dead, Jesus said let the dead bury their dead about living people so plainly this place has "dead" people

There is physical dead as you show but there is spiritually dead, The spirit is eternal the body is not

Then why does Jesus talks about a body being destroyed in hell?

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[loDebar]

Then why does Jesus talks about a body being destroyed in hell?

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I can only surmise ...... where does it mention a body in the verse, We know he was tormented in flame . We place a body there, We assume a body but it is not verified...

We know there is not a body .. in the kingdom...

so which body do you think, 18 year old 70 year old?

 

[loDebar]

Then why does Jesus talks about a body being destroyed in hell?

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I. said , i think it is here, place of the dead.

 

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