-
Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
The Gospel in Six Minutes
- Thread starter KenH
- Start date
- Status
37818
Well-Known Member
It is a reconstructed gospel.
The hearer has no way to presume to know being elected. Matthew 22:14.
SavedByGrace
Well-Known Member
This is what is known as a false Gospel, because the Bible is very clear, that salvation is for the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE, and not just the ELECT as some falsely claim!
37818
Well-Known Member
That is not a logical statement.
Matthew 22:14.
I think SBG was referring to the false concept that individuals were chosen before creation, and this supposed group is what is being referred to as the ELECT. The actual biblical doctrine is that individuals were not chosen before creation, but are being chosen by being set apart in Christ on the basis of God crediting the individuals faith as righteousness. Scripture precludes individuals being chosen before creation, because all those chosen once were "not a people" and had not "obtained mercy." If they had been chosen before creation, they would always been a people and would always had obtained mercy. 1 Peter 2:9-10
The OP video presents non-stop falsehoods.
Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, those to be saved (the church) and those never to be saved (those heading for destruction)
God loved humanity in this way, He gave is uniquely divine Son so that everyone believing into Him would not perish but have everlasting life.
Scripture says we are chosen for salvation through or by way of faith in the truth, thus faith comes before election.
Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, those to be saved (the church) and those never to be saved (those heading for destruction)
God loved humanity in this way, He gave is uniquely divine Son so that everyone believing into Him would not perish but have everlasting life.
Scripture says we are chosen for salvation through or by way of faith in the truth, thus faith comes before election.
SavedByGrace
Well-Known Member
Did you know that the Greek κλητός means INVITED? An INVITATION by nature is something that can be either ACCEPTED, or REJECTED, as in the Parable of the Great Feast!
37818
Well-Known Member
The point of the reference more are called than become the elect. It also makes no sense that God would call those for whom Christ would not have died for.
SavedByGrace
Well-Known Member
Maybe no sense to you but perfect sense to the Lord because of His great Love for the entire human race. Jesus Christ died for everyone without exception
KenH
Well-Known Member
Sounds like you think that God is a failure.
"Most often, adherents to this Catholic system of theology deny vehemently that they teach that their god is a failure. However, occasionally one of their preachers will say in words or substance, "God has done everything He can do to save you. The rest is up to you". Or perhaps their preaching takes the slant that you must "let God" do this or that in your life. If you do not "let God" He cannot accomplish His purpose in your life, according to the god-is-a-failure theory.
As further proof, we quote one prominent "Baptist" (BBF) preacher of some years ago as representative of this Thomist/Arminian view. He wrote, ". . . hell is a ghastly monument to the failure of the Triune God to save the multitudes who are there . . . sinners go to hell because God Almighty couldn't save them! He did all He could. He failed." [Noel Smith, "Universal Atonement," Defender Magazine, Springfield, MO., U.S.A., December, 1956]."
- from Is God a Failure? (libcfl.com)
BasketFinch
Active Member
That's what you read from that verse?
SavedByGrace
Well-Known Member
Calvinism takes its name from John Calvin. Note the end of his comments on John 3.16
That whosoever believeth on him may not perish. It is a remarkable commendation of faith, that it frees us from everlasting destruction. For he intended expressly to state that, though we appear to have been born to death, undoubted deliverance is offered to us by the faith of Christ; and, therefore, that we ought not to fear death, which otherwise hangs over us. And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term World, which he formerly used; for though nothing will be found in the world that is worthy of the favor of God, yet he shows himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when he invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life
He very clearly says that God invites all men without exception to faith in Jesus!
BasketFinch
Active Member
John Calvin was predated by Huldrych Zwingli. The most prolific reformer in the Swiss Protestant Reformation.
I would think any doctrine that espouses salvation is predestined by God would necessarily preclude free choice exercised by individuals.
I would think any doctrine that espouses salvation is predestined by God would necessarily preclude free choice exercised by individuals.
SavedByGrace
Well-Known Member
which is unbiblical heresy!
BasketFinch
Active Member
Which one? Predestined salvation? Or open salvation?
SavedByGrace
Well-Known Member
The former
37818
Well-Known Member
What I read are more are called then chosen. The word translated chosen is the very word elsewhere translated elect.
Unless the redemption includes all that are to be called by the gospel no one can know Christ died for one in order to honestly believe He did in order to believe.
Last edited:
KenH
Well-Known Member
1) I am not a Calvinist. About all I know about John Calvin is from what other people have quoted from him. I can hardly be deemed a follower of someone that basically just have an overview of based on what other people have said or quoted. If someone must classify me, then it would be as a sovereign grace Baptist who worships with Grace Baptist Church of Ruston ( Grace Baptist of Ruston - Online Audio And Video Sermons ) and who also listens to the lessons and sermons of Eager Avenue Grace Church in Albany, Georgia ( Reign of Grace Ministries at Eager Avenue Grace Church in Albany, Georgia (rofgrace.com) .
2) I was commenting about your statement that "Jesus Christ died for everyone without exception", not about that even the non-elect can hear and read the Word of God even though they are not given spiritual eyes to see or spiritual ears to hear.
KenH
Well-Known Member
Incorrect. The unsaved are not to try to figure out whether they are of the elect or not. They are to submit to the righteousness of God.
Have You Submitted Yet? by Scott Price, Gospel of Grace Ministries
For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves to the righteousness of God." Romans 10:3
The natural, unregenerate, lost man has no clue he is in desperate need of a perfect righteousness that God requires them to have. God demands that everyone at judgment must have a righteousness that is equal to that of the high standard of the LORD Jesus Christ. The only way to be accepted by God in this way is to be found in Christ and have His robe of righteousness wrapped around you for a covering. This is done by imputation only. Since mankind is ignorant of this he goes to make his own covering of self righteousness which is the very worst thing he can do because it strikes at the glory of God in relation to the righteousness of Christ.
Mankind is a natural rebel against God in that man is unsubmissive when it comes to the righteousness of God in Christ. The unsaved are completely unbending on this issue until God grants them repentance from self righteousness to purge their conscience of dead works which is unacceptable obedience. This is an area that can ONLY be exposed by the preaching of the gospel and by the power of the Holy Spirit. This wicked state of unbelief and unsubmissiveness is the chief evidence of their total depravity. These are the main wicked works that alienate man from the Saviour. Christ said to the self righteous that it would be more tolerable for Sodom in the day of judgment that for them in their unsubmissive, prideful, unbelieving, unrepentant, heart/minds. Self righteousness is SATANIC. It is the worse sin.
The remedy is the very righteousness of Christ which was established by Him when He obeyed the law perfectly in deed, word, and thought and died the satisfying, effectual death of the cross as a substitute and representative and established a perfect righteousness that will answer any and all the strict demands of the law and justice of God. By grace through faith is the way to salvation. Do you count on and trust in the merit of Christ alone without any consideration in any work or merit on your part? Have you stopped working yet? Have you repented from your work to rest in Him and His work alone? Have you submitted yet? Will you submit? Those who claim to be saved and have not submitted to God in this way are nothing but liars.
Gospel of Grace Ministries | SermonAudio
Last edited:
- Status