Unbelievable!!!
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nelson:
Simply put:
Point 1:
Larry claimed he has no doubt.
Larry also admitted he is fallible.
Therefore, there is, at least, the possibility that what he is certain about my not be in line with reality.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
This is not original with you. I already said this.
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Point 2:
It does not seem to require the citation of Biblical passages to demonstrate the logical conclusion to Larry’s remark.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I was referring to the biblical passages as proof for why I believe what I do and why my belief is apparently contrary to yours. Your problem is with Scripture, not with my statements.
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Point 3:
Larry's whole argument has no bearing upon my objection to his statement regarding doubt and infallibility. For example, what does Larry’s perception of my denial of the possibility that one could fall from right doctrine have to do with his statement that on the one hand he does not doubt yet, on the other hand, he is fallible?
What is in question is not whether someone can fall away from right doctrine but the logic of Larry’s statement.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
This seems absurd. I do not really even know what you are trying to say here. My point was this: If someone ceases to believe right doctrine, they give evidence they were never truly saved. They may continue to have "no doubts" about their salvation but their "no doubt" is not in line with reality. I don't know what you don't understand about that. You "have been reconciled ... if you continue firm in the faith" (Col 1:22-24). If you do not continue in the faith (right doctrine) then you have not been reconciled.
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Point 4:
Just for the record, I have addressed Biblical passages in the past; however, Larry has not shown exactly where in my explanation of the passages I have erred.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I have not seen you address any passages with regards to this. Just to show you, look back through this thread and see when the last time you cited Scripture in support of your position? It hasn't been since we started this discussion on assurance. I have shown time and time again where you have erred in your understanding of other passages.
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Larry continually shifts the focus, adding passages without answering my objections to verses already put forth, accusing instead of debating and merely making statements and citing passages with no explanation on how statement and passage both relate to each other.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You apparently are not able to read with ease. I have answered your objections, shown where your logic is flawed, corrected your misunderstandings of my statements, and supported my belief with Scripture. What else do you want?
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Point 5:
There is no difficulty on my part to understand. The difficulty lies in Larry’s incomprehension of how someone can disagree with his position.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No. My difficulty is why I say one thing and you read something entirely different.
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>So far, in this discussion, Larry has stated that he does not doubt his salvation but that such certainty on his part is not infallible.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You got this right. So what?
Nelson, You need to stop this kind of post. I have been clear. If you have questions about what I have said, ask. Do not put words in my mouth and do not misrepresent what I am saying. I do not need you to tell me what I believe. You have attempted several times to twist what I have said to make yourself look more favorable. That is unacceptable in this forum. If you want to discuss ideas and debate, have the decency to use my arguments the way I would use them and then refute them. Do not set up straw men based on your own ideas of what you would like me to say and then destroy them. That will no longer be accepted.