The great apostacy or falling away...fulfulled on 11/6/12?

[Arbo]

God hasn't called us to be closer to Biblical morality. He's called us to be OBEDIENT COMPLETELY. And a lot of folks seem to have forgotten that close ain't good enough when dealing with right and wrong.

So, with regard to politics, we are to reject the less than ideal in favor of (by paving the way for) the bad?

Not buying it.

 

[Zaac]

So, with regard to politics, we are to reject the less than ideal in favor of (by paving the way for) the bad?
Not buying it.

You don't have to buy it. The Bible is full of accounts of folks trying to fix things their way instead of obeying God.

In terms of politics, The word of God says still says In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He will make your paths straight Pro. 3:6

So try rejecting anything that's against God. He didn't tell you to divide His house between what He commands and what you feel to be less than ideal but better than something else.

14 But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, do not be arrogant and so lie against the truth. 15 This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, [j]natural, demonic. 16 For where jealousy and [k]selfish ambition exist, [l]there is disorder and every evil thing. 17 But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, [m]reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy. James 3:14-17

 

[jbh28]

Then if we're not voting for a pastor, there shouldn't be any discussion of either candidates morals.

says who? Are you saying that morals of a person only count for the office of pastor and nothing else?

The word of God says In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He will make your paths straight Pro. 3:6

So if I'm acknowledging God in ALL my ways, why would I not put a vote and candidates up against the crucible of His word?

My point again, we are voting for the president. Do you want the president to have good morals? Sure we do. We are not voting for a pastor. If we were, then we wouldn't have voted for any of them.

We should acknowledge God in all our ways.

 

[Zaac]

says who? Are you saying that morals of a person only count for the office of pastor and nothing else?

You said we weren't electing a pastor. So do morals matter now?

My point again, we are voting for the president.

So are we to ignore morals just because it's the President and not a pastor?

Do you want the president to have good morals? Sure we do. We are not voting for a pastor. If we were, then we wouldn't have voted for any of them.

I didn't vote for either of them. Morals matter.

We should acknowledge God in all our ways.

I agree. And I also believe if the 78% had been acknowledging God, they wouldn't have set to elect a man who is against God.

 

[Mexdeaf]

I think our attitude towards the brethren with whom we disagree is more of a predictor of any falling away than an election is- 1 John 5:1,2.

 

[annsni]

And the majority voted for a false god worshiping Romney. So if there is a falling away, it must be amongst ALL evangelicals that voted for either of them.

I do however like the way one older woman put it:



BRAVO to her:applause:

So did she then instead vote for the false god worshipping Obama who authorized the killing of infants and the destruction of marriage?

 

[annsni]

Then if we're not voting for a pastor, there shouldn't be any discussion of either candidates morals.

The word of God says In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He will make your paths straight Pro. 3:6

So if I'm acknowledging God in ALL my ways, why would I not put a vote and candidates up against the crucible of His word?

I certainly hope you do the same for your doctor, your garbage man, your accountant, your barber and your newspaper. Oh and your bank, your car company, your grocery store and the restaurants you frequent.

 

[annsni]

We are not voting for a pastor, but voting for a president.

:applause: :thumbs:

 

[annsni]

You know since we cannot tell the wheat from the tares, we truly don't know who is a genuine Christian in America today. This hyped up stuff gets all distorted by claiming how Christians voted when some or most of them may not even be true Christians. IMO

Don't put much stock in how the guy/gal votes who never who only has a "said faith." We need to be more committed to converting these lost people and that will in turn bring them to the polls with the right state of mind.

This is the heart of the matter. I'm reading "Christians are Hate Filled Hypocrites - and other Lies You've Been Told" and it addresses just this issue. The polls are not accurate because those who vote can label themselves whatever they want. It is not a true reflection of what people believe.

 

[Arbo]

Zaac, what do you believe the difference is between voting for a president and doing business with an unbeliever; and if there is, why? Both are, in a sense being hired to do a job.

 

[Zaac]

So did she then instead vote for the false god worshipping Obama who authorized the killing of infants and the destruction of marriage?

If I'm not mistaken, she said she didn't vote for either but you may want to check the article's comments to verify.

 

[Zaac]

I certainly hope you do the same for your doctor, your garbage man, your accountant, your barber and your newspaper. Oh and your bank, your car company, your grocery store and the restaurants you frequent.

None of them have been placed in authority over me.:thumbs:

 

[Zaac]

Zaac, what do you believe the difference is between voting for a president and doing business with an unbeliever; and if there is, why? Both are, in a sense hiring someone to do a job.

The difference is one is placed in authority over me by God the other isn't.

I understand yall's need to continue to justify voting for that which is against God. But it just ain't gonna wash here.

 

[Arbo]

The difference is one is placed in authority over me by God the other isn't.

I understand yall's need to continue to justify voting for that which is against God. But it just ain't gonna wash here.

Answered as expected.

 

[Zaac]

Answered as expected.

Good. You adhere to to what you want to and I'll continue to align myself with God.

It's not my fault your little example didn't place me in a dilemma the way you no doubt hoped it would.

 

[Arbo]

Good. You adhere to to what you want to and I'll continue to align myself with God.

Well that's a self-righteous statement if one ever existed.

 

[annsni]

None of them have been placed in authority over me.:thumbs:

Well, your mortgage company is.

OK then, how about your police?

 

[Zaac]

Well that's a self-righteous statement if one ever existed.

Deal with your own constant smugness and attempts to ensnare..:thumbs: Nice deflection though.

 

[Zaac]

Well, your mortgage company is.

My mortgage company isn't in authority over me.

OK then, how about your police?

I don't get to vote for them or a say so in how they are hired.

 

[Arbo]

Deal with your own constant smugness and attempts to ensnare..:thumbs: Nice deflection though.

No attempts to ensnare, but to understand...believe it or not.

As for my 'constant smugness', believe what you will.