"The Great Global Warming Swindle"

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

Exactly. I feel that in order to understand what's really going with all these 'issues' is to stop looking at them as seperate issues and start looking at them as the one big agenda to bring about the one world government and religion that it is.

As do I but the socialists do not want that. that way they can hide their agenda. If you talk with them they always try to break it down to individual issues. But it is all related.

 

[poncho]

As do I but the socialists do not want that. that way they can hide their agenda. If you talk with them they always try to break it down to individual issues. But it is all related.

Socialism is a tool like any other to bring about the wants of those pushing it imho. It doesn't matter whether it's socialism, communism, capitalism or any other ism they all keep the 'stuff' as Ed calls it flowing out of our pockets and into the pockets of the uppercrust Malthusians, who have duped whole populations into believing that these isms really serve the common folks 'needs' when they do not. They only serve the wants of the 3 or 4 percent at the very top of the food chain.

But yeah none of them want us to add it all up and get a glimpse of the big picture. Because then we may just see them all as the frauds they really are and always have been.

I was just reading this Top Ten Global Warming Lies!

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

Claim 3: Warming is Melting The Arctic Glaciers and Greenland Ice Sheets and Raising Sea Levels.​

Fact A: Some have pointed to the melting and thinning of ice in the coastal areas of Greenland. However, opposite changes are occurring in the much larger interior ice sheet. A Norwegian-led team of scientists (9) studying an 11- year period (1992-2003) of Greenland ice sheet activity reports that "below 1500 meters, the elevation-change rate is -2.0 ± 0.9 cm/year, in qualitative agreement with reported thinning in the ice-sheet margins," but that "an increase of 6.4 ± 0.2 cm/year is found in the vast interior areas above 1500 meters."​

Spatially averaged over the bulk of the ice sheet, the net result is a mean increase of 5.4 ± 0.2 cm/year, "or ~6.0 cm over 11 years.​

The Greenland Ice Sheet has not been wasting away, but has been growing at a very respectable rate. This increase, like the one in Antarctic, is removing water from the oceans.​

One could scientifically dispute nearly every claim made by the extremists about ice sheets but the public never have the opportunity to hear it.





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http://www.trac.org.au/cgi-bin/test?page=/myths/top10.htm

 

[StraightAndNarrow]

Don't misrepresent him. He's never claimed to be an expert, but cites scientists & weatherpersons that have actual credentials, like in the article I'll link to. He does claim, rightly so, to be an expert in media spin.


http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/eibessential/estack/enviro_wacko_update.guest.html

Notice what L's experts say in this article. Their theory is that global warming does not play a role in the hurricane cycle. That's NOT the same thing as saying that global warming doesn't exist. Comprende?

 

[Ed Edwards]

quotes are from here:

http://www.trac.org.au/cgi-bin/test?page=/myths/top10.htm

//Claim 1: Temperatures are Hotter and Rising Faster Than Ever Before.//

Global Warming does NOT claim this.



// Claim 6: There is No Other Explanation for Global Warming.//

This isn't true.

//Fact: This is False! There are three basic reasons why our climate gets warmer or cooler, Greenhouse effect, Solar activity and Celestial position and orbits. //

This is probably correct.

Right now we can do something about the Greenhouse effect
(quit pumping so much Carbon Dioxide into the air).
There is nothing we know that can be done about
Solar activity and Celestial position and orbits.

A correct claim of Global Warming is "the greenhouse effect
is the only explination of Global Warming that we can do
something about.

 

[StraightAndNarrow]

It can be viewed on Google Video now.

This is an excellent program. However, for once i'd like to see a presentation of both sides of the argument rather than one entitled "The Great Global Warming Swindle." That just doesn't give me a warm feeling that what is being presented is unbiased.

 

[Ed Edwards]

2 Timothy 2:1-4 (the poster):
//One could scientifically dispute nearly every claim
made by the extremists about ice sheets but the public
never have the opportunity to hear it.//

Nor would the public want to hear it

Now if you could make that into a top
'reality show'

 

[mnw]

An interesting graph that program displayed was that increases of CO2 in the atmosphere were preceded by increases in temperature.

So historically warmer climates caused there to be more CO2 and not the way the enviromentalists teach today i.e. CO2 is the cause of climate change.

In essence then, CO2 is a result and not a cause of climate change.

 

[777]

Global warming is not as settled as the left would have you believe.

Global warming is not as settled among the left as the left would have you believe. Some of them are actually questioning Al Gore's scientific credentials!:

But part of his scientific audience is uneasy. In talks, articles and blog entries that have appeared since his film and accompanying book came out last year, these scientists argue that some of Mr. Gore’s central points are exaggerated and erroneous. They are alarmed, some say, at what they call his alarmism.

“I don’t want to pick on Al Gore,” Don J. Easterbrook, an emeritus professor of geology at Western Washington University, told hundreds of experts at the annual meeting of the Geological Society of America. “But there are a lot of inaccuracies in the statements we are seeing, and we have to temper that with real data.”

(very long)

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/13/science/13gore.html

Gore exaggerate? No way, Rush Limbaugh must have told the NYT to say that.

 

[mnw]

Shouldn't the Global Warming/Climate Police have sought us out and silenced us by now? :thumbs:

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

2 Timothy 2:1-4 (the poster):
//One could scientifically dispute nearly every claim
made by the extremists about ice sheets but the public
never have the opportunity to hear it.//

Nor would the public want to hear it

Now if you could make that into a top
'reality show'

Why do you assume they would not want to hear it?

 

[poncho]

Shouldn't the Global Warming/Climate Police have sought us out and silenced us by now? :thumbs:

They're already trying to equate GW deniers with holocaust deniers and pumping out propaganda in the form of movies and even programs on the weather channel. They don't need to silence us just demonize and marginalize us, you know like they try to do with 'conspiracy theorists' don't be surprised if you start being called that either. Or an earth hater...why do you hate the earth?

This is the real agenda... Brown wants 'new world order' to fight global warming.

Doesn't matter if it's global warming, the war on drugs, the war on terror, globalisation, the North American Union, open borders, UNESCO, left, right, or straight down the middle it all boils down to the elite wanting total control over of every aspect of our lives through a New World Order. But be of good cheer, you do have a 'choice' you can choose an Al Gore left wing socialist NWO or a George Bush right wing fascist NWO. Either way you're going to have one, unless you say no to both while there is still a chance to say anything at all.

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

From the article

"Government must provide practical help with, wherever possible, incentives in preference to penalties."

Scary stuff.

 

[poncho]

I would like to say we're at a point where global warming is impossible to deny. Let's just say that global warming deniers are now on a par with Holocaust deniers, though one denies the past and the other denies the present and future. Ellen Goodman

Will they put those who question global warming in jail? Not here until our congress has sat on the 'hotseat' for awhile first.

NAIROBI (AFX) - Citing 'a frightening lack of leadership' to tackle climate change, UN chief Kofi Annan urged world leaders to give global warming the same priority as they did to wars and to curbing the spread of weapons of mass destruction. Source

More laws and less freedom? Will the Fatherland, I mean Homeland Security be expanded to include rounding up questioning and detaining indefinately subversive global warming deniers and their 'terrorist cells'? Will they be held in secret prisons without due process? Tried in military tribunals as 'enemies of the state'? Renditioned to far off lands and tortured?

Here's a global warming denier below, why does he hate the earth?

Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to make people open up their eyes and see the truth. But few listen, despite the fact that I was one of the first Canadian Ph.Ds. in Climatology and I have an extensive background in climatology, especially the reconstruction of past climates and the impact of climate change on human history and the human condition. Few listen, even though I have a Ph.D, (Doctor of Science) from the University of London, England and was a climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. For some reason (actually for many), the World is not listening. Here is why. SOURCE

The Weather Channel, "strip skeptics of their certifications".

The Weather Channel’s most prominent climatologist is advocating that broadcast meteorologists be stripped of their scientific certification if they express skepticism about predictions of manmade catastrophic global warming. This latest call to silence skeptics follows a year (2006) in which skeptics were compared to "Holocaust Deniers" and Nuremberg-style war crimes trials were advocated by several climate alarmists.
The Weather Channel’s (TWC) Heidi Cullen, who hosts the weekly global warming program "The Climate Code," is advocating that the American Meteorological Society (AMS) revoke their "Seal of Approval" for any television weatherman who expresses skepticism that human activity is creating a climate catastrophe. SOURCE

Greenpeace Global Warming FIeld Organizer wanted.

Specific responsibilities include:

 Develop a sophisticated, community-based campaign to convince congressional representatives and candidates to take a stand to stop global warming
 Create widespread public support by recruiting and training campaign volunteers
 Develop knowledge on issues concerning global warming, renewable energy, and the coal, oil, and nuclear industries
 Collaborate with and mobilize constituent groups, both traditional and nontraditional
 Plan and execute events to educate the public about global warming
 Generate significant media coverage on Project Hot Seat and the issue of global warming
 Build long-term relationships between the public and Congress to ensure continued action by Congress on the issue
 Implement other campaign tactics to pressure congressional targets to become champions SOURCE[

NUREMBERG-STYLE TRIALS PROPOSED FOR GLOBAL WARMING SKEPTICS

Roberts wrote in the online publication on September 19, 2006, "When we've finally gotten serious about global warming, when the impacts are really hitting us and we're in a full worldwide scramble to minimize the damage, we should have war crimes trials for these (xxxxxxxx) -- some sort of climate Nuremberg.” SOURCE

That's how the Global Warming/Climate Police work, mnw. They won't come and drag anyone away until later. After 'Project Hotseat' has congress "convinced", after the demonization, marginalization and propaganda campaigns have worked thier magic. After martial law has been declared and the constitution scrapped.

How strongly do feel GW should be questioned? Are willing to put your job and good name on the line to question it? Or will you cave in to the pressure and go along to get along, or to just to be on the 'right side' or the 'winning side' of the issue? Do you really believe there is some hugh conspiracy involved in perpetuating a myth? Or will you be one of those laughing and calling GW 'deniers' names for believing so in the future?

Whoever thought that serious commentators would want it made illegal to have a row about the weather? One Australian columnist has proposed outlawing ‘climate change denial’. ‘David Irving is under arrest in Austria for Holocaust denial’, she wrote. ‘Perhaps there is a case for making climate change denial an offence. It is a crime against humanity, after all.’ (1) Others have suggested that climate change deniers should be put on trial in the future, Nuremberg-style, and made to account for their attempts to cover up the ‘global warming…Holocaust’ (2).

The message is clear: climate change deniers are scum. Their words are so wicked and dangerous that they must be silenced, or criminalised, or forced beyond the pale alongside those other crackpots who claim there was no Nazi Holocaust against the Jews. Perhaps climate change deniers should even be killed off, hanged like those evil men who were tried Nuremberg-style the first time around. SOURCE

 

[mnw]

That's interesting stuff poncho. Thanks for sharing.

Some theologians/commentators believe the political climate generated by the Climate Change scare mongers will be used to set the stage for other political operations.

So whether Climate change 'policing' or the pandora's box it opens gets abused, it seems difficult days could be ahead.

 

[poncho]

To me it looks as though anybody that dares to question the 'authorities' on any issue no matter which side the political fence they are on will be in for hard times in the near future.

Some theologians/commentators believe the political climate generated by the Climate Change scare mongers will be used to set the stage for other political operations.

As the political climate of the "war on terror" and all the scaremongering that goes with it has been used to set the stage for other political operations it all leads to the same conclusion. A one world government, a big brother society and a global police state that's owned and controlled lock stock and barrel by a few global elite that think it's their destiny to rule the world and treat us all as nothing more than cattle. It's all about total control of everything.

 

[StraightAndNarrow]

Pete this is because science is relatively unreliable and so the computer models are unreliable in trying to predict soemthing that has never been seen before. Global warming is all specualtion based on unreliable science but used as a tool to further the politcal agneda of socialism and to destroy capitalism. It is politcal and not very scientific. Socialists become scietnists, teachers, reporters, government agents like the CIA and FBI, politicians and Presidents because they have an agenda to effect unseen change into a capitalist society that they dispise. They get energized on human sentiment that is void of scripture, biblical precepts, consideration of God, and Holy Ghost conviction. Christians should not walk in doubleminded lives that hold to a secular life and a Christian walk. Any organization that is devoid of God is godless.

True science is NOT political. Did Newton have political motives in mind when he stated his laws of motion? Was Einstein's E=MC2 a political statement? Only science which is funded by a political organization is political. That's not science at all but propaganda.

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

True science is NOT political. Did Newton have political motives in mind when he stated his laws of motion? Was Einstein's E=MC2 a political statement? Only science which is funded by a political organization is political. That's not science at all but propaganda.

I agree. And GW is not true science which is evident from the political push for it and the viceral attempts to silence dissent on the issue. GW is propoganda. Having said that even true science is unreliable. It is much like computers. In six months any new technology is out of date. Pluto is a good example of that. Science works to prove hypothesis in order to create knowledge. Unfortunaltely it is so often done outside of and independent of scirpture.

Le 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.It took scientists thousands of years after this was written to discover that the blood is the key to life. Science independent od scripture is a failure. Now scientists are looking through the vast universe to discover what is out there.

Ps 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.When all we need to do to understand it all is look to scripture. Science void of scripture is a failure. Are there any global warming disasters spoken of in scripture? None. what we do see is famine, pestilence, earthquakes, volcanos, wars and rumors of wars. And this is spoken of in scripture. Everything the GW alarmists pin on GW was prophecied in scripture. These are the last days. We need to be prepared.

 

[poncho]

Check this out.

Environmental groups will be able to take future Governments to court if they fail to live up to this one's promise to cut Britain's carbon emissions, under a Climate Change Bill published today.

SOURCE

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

If this were to pass it would effect American business in Europe. And Americans would likely pull out. It will hurt Europe financially.