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The Great Whore is Religious Rome

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Protestant

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Schroeder: Bavarian, just like the Illuminati. Enough said.

In my attempt to understand the irrational thought process of Walter's latest rebuttal to undeniable facts which I present, I can only guess that he believes:

1. The translator of Disciplinary Decrees of the General Councils is Bavarian and, as such, is not trustworthy in his translation, and

2. There is no difference between a Bavarian and an Illuminati. One is just as bad as the other.

Sadly, Walter's bigotry has proven to be one of the many logs in his eye -- logs which hinder his ability to see reality.

Mr. Schroeder's text and comments have nothing less than the official seals necessary to prove the book officially authorized by the Roman Catholic Church. I cite them below:

Nihil Obstat ('Nothing Hinders')......Fr. Norbertus Georges, O.P., (Order of Preachers: i.e. Dominican Friars)
..................................................Fr. Humbertus Kane, O.P.

Imprimi Potest ('It Can Be Printed')......Fr. Terentius Stephanus McDermott, O.P., Prior Provincialis (Governor of the Dominican Monastery)

Nihil Obstat.........F.J. Holweck, Censor Librorum (Censor of Books)

Imprimatur ('Let It Be Printed')..........Joannes J. Glennon

Much to Walter's chagrin 'exterminate' is the correct translation of the Latin, 'exterminare.'

".....jurisdictioni subjectis UNIVERSOS HAERECTICOS ab ecclesia donotatos bona fide pro viribus EXTERMINARE studebunt." = "EXTERMINATE ALL HERETICS"
 

Protestant

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Please note that the word "exterminate" (as has been pointed out countless times on this board) does not mean to kill, as one exterminates pests, but to drive outside of the boundaries of said Catholic country.

Your brother in the faith, baptized and confirmed Roman Catholic Adolph Hitler also 'drove outside the boundaries' of Germany millions of 'pesky' Jews.

To implement 'the Final Solution', he first had them hunted down and arrested. He then 'drove' them to various concentration camps in luxurious cattle cars where they were either worked to death, starved to death, shot to death or gassed to death.

Of course, like the faithful Catholics of the Middle Ages, the Nazis were able to plunder the valuables of the victims as their reward.

I now bring forward further irrefutable proof that the Popes' Encyclicals used the term 'exterminare' to signify 'destroy.'

First let us review Rev. 9:11 according to the Latin text:

"et habebant super se regem angelum abyssi cui nomen hebraice Abaddon graece autem Apollyon et latine habet nomen Exterminans."

EXTERMINANS = The Destroyer

Rev. 11:18 confirms the Latin usage:

"et iratae sunt gentes et advenit ira tua et tempus mortuorum iudicari et reddere mercedem servis tuis prophetis et sanctis et timentibus nomen tuum pusillis et magnis et exterminandi eos qui corruperunt terram."

"And the nations were angry: and thy wrath is come. And the time of the dead, that they should be judged and that thou shouldest render reward to thy servants the prophets and the saints, and to them that fear thy name, little and great: and shouldest destroy them who have corrupted the earth."

And let us not forget 1Cor. 10:10:

"neque murmuraveritis sicut quidam eorum murmuraverunt et perierunt ab exterminatore."

"Neither do you murmur, as some of them murmured and were destroyed by the destroyer.

Try as Walter may, he cannot destroy the truth.
 

DHK

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The great whore was 1st century Israel...who was the unfaithful wife.
Revelation was written by the Apostle John from the Isle of Patmos in the year of 98 A.D when there was no nation of Israel. She had ceased to exist as a nation. The Roman General, Titus, had come in 70 A.D. and destroyed the city of Jerusalem, completely razed the Temple, and the nation was dispersed. There was no nation to be called Israel.

You are wrong. Israel did not exist again as a nation until 1948 when the UN gave them land, the land of Palestine, which so long ago was promised to Abraham and his seed--physical seed through the 12 tribes of Jacob, and his descendents. They will fully claim it once again when Christ comes for the nation of Israel, and they, as a nation, will look upon him whom they have pierced, and accept him as their Messiah. We look for that coming.
As John, in 98 A.D. prayed, "Even so come Lord Jesus."
 

Bro. James

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Irrational thought processes

Folks given over to strong delusion are not thinking rationally. They are usually as lost as a lone goose in a snowstorm.

The seed has been sown. Let the Holy Spirit bear witness to The Word. Consider what happened to Saul of Tarsus on the road to Damascus. He was very sincere and strongly deluded, believing a lie--a Pharisee of Pharisees. The Lord got his attention and turned him around.

Pray for the lost sheep.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James
 

Yeshua1

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Revelation was written by the Apostle John from the Isle of Patmos in the year of 98 A.D when there was no nation of Israel. She had ceased to exist as a nation. The Roman General, Titus, had come in 70 A.D. and destroyed the city of Jerusalem, completely razed the Temple, and the nation was dispersed. There was no nation to be called Israel.

You are wrong. Israel did not exist again as a nation until 1948 when the UN gave them land, the land of Palestine, which so long ago was promised to Abraham and his seed--physical seed through the 12 tribes of Jacob, and his descendents. They will fully claim it once again when Christ comes for the nation of Israel, and they, as a nation, will look upon him whom they have pierced, and accept him as their Messiah. We look for that coming.
As John, in 98 A.D. prayed, "Even so come Lord Jesus."

the King that isreal rejected as a nation shall come back a second time, and then they will receive him as their true King/Messiah, and all the earth shall be blessed!
 

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Folks given over to strong delusion are not thinking rationally. They are usually as lost as a lone goose in a snowstorm.

The seed has been sown. Let the Holy Spirit bear witness to The Word. Consider what happened to Saul of Tarsus on the road to Damascus. He was very sincere and strongly deluded, believing a lie--a Pharisee of Pharisees. The Lord got his attention and turned him around.

Pray for the lost sheep.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

And thats exactly what happens in a Born Again experience. Simply amazing how that works, right!:thumbs:

And thats why I somehow dont believe in the authenticity of many claiming to have been born again. Would not a authentic church want to spread the WORD, need to, feel compeled to reach out to those who are in lethergy in order to wake them. I become dispondent when I find churches claiming the blood but sit on their arses.

Wow, wake up ...... become alive......walk the streets....find out who is suffering in your own darn community & become Christ. This is NOT rocket science!!!!!
 
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BINGO!!!!:thumbs:

The idea and interpretation that the Great Whore is first century Israel is ridiculous for many reasons.

1. Israel is not that city which present tense "reigneth" over the nations of this world when John wrote - Rev. 17:18

And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. - Rev. 17:18


2. Israel was destroyed in A.D. 70 as a nation but the Great Whore continues to exist right up until a yet future time when the ten kings join with the Beast to war against Christ - that time had not yet come when John wrote.


12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 ¶ These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them:.....16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire
.

a. these ten kings were not in power when John wrote.

b. these ten kings burn the whore when they reign with the beast for one hour

c. the time of this "one hour" is not only future from John's day but is the time when they join in war against the Lamb with those who come with the Lamb.
 

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The idea and interpretation that the Great Whore is first century Israel is ridiculous for many reasons.

1. Israel is not that city which present tense "reigneth" over the nations of this world when John wrote - Rev. 17:18

And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. - Rev. 17:18


2. Israel was destroyed in A.D. 70 as a nation but the Great Whore continues to exist right up until a yet future time when the ten kings join with the Beast to war against Christ - that time had not yet come when John wrote.


12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 ¶ These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them:.....16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire
.

a. these ten kings were not in power when John wrote.

b. these ten kings burn the whore when they reign with the beast for one hour

c. the time of this "one hour" is not only future from John's day but is the time when they join in war against the Lamb with those who come with the Lamb.

this 'Great Whore is isreal" is partially based upon mistaken belief that God cut all ties with isreal AD 70, but the OT prophets and Apsotles saw that God was merely puttingthem on hold, to deal mainly with the gentiles, and will get back to dealing with them as preparing them to meet jesus at second coming John foresaw!
 

Protestant

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The idea and interpretation that the Great Whore is first century Israel is ridiculous for many reasons.

Amen.

In order for Israel to be that Mystery – so extraordinarily mysterious that it needed the interpretation of an Angel before John could grasp its meaning -- would require John to have completely forgotten the years spent with the Lord fighting the Pharisees and Sadducees hypocrisies, false teachings and persecutions.

Not to mention their crucifixion of Christ.

Israel an idolatrous murderous whore ruled by religious sons of Satan?

No mystery there.

As DHK pointed out, the Diaspora had already taken place.

Besides, there is only one city in John’s era that was known as the City of Seven Hills/Mountains: Rome…….whose rule extended over Israel.

Moreover, this wicked Preterist view discounts nearly 2,000 years of Church history with nary a question as to why the Lord thought it unimportant to warn His Church of the coming Roman Catholic apostasy, persecutions and massacres……all done in the name of and for the glory of Jesus Christ!

The lack of knowledge of Church history among sincere God-fearing Christians is appalling.

And finally, you will not find one Preterist (or Futurist) among the millions slain by the Great Whore Church of Rome and her scarlet papal Beast.

They did not die deceived or believing a lie.

They knew the identity of their murderers because they understood the prophecies.

I will be posting their God-breathed testimony in the near future.
 

Protestant

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Antichrist: A Rival of Jesus Christ

History tells the sordid story of the antipopes: rivals for the office of Pope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipope

Thus, one definition of the Greek prefix ‘anti’ is that of ‘rival.’

He who is a rival of Christ is, therefore, ‘antichrist.’

Is the Pope a rival of Christ?

It is no mystery that Christ holds three divinely appointed offices: Priest, Prophet and King.

He is our High Priest and mediator before the Father.

As the Word of God He is our Prophet who spoke only that which the Father commanded.

He is the King of Kings to whom we owe unswerving obedience.

The Pope 'comes in the name of Christ.'

He claims to be the High Priest of Christianity.

His title: Supreme Pontiff (Pontifex Maximus), meaning ‘greatest bridgebuilder’.

Like the Roman Caesars before him, the Pope is the divine bridge connecting man to the gods…..Mary, Jesus, the saints, the angels, the Father, the Holy Spirit.

The Pope claims to be God’s Prophet because God speaks through him.

He claims God-like infallibility when speaking ex-cathedra (‘from the chair’) concerning issues pertaining to faith and morals.

And lastly, he is a king, the absolute monarch of Vatican City State to whom unswerving obedience is owed.

As Pope, he claims headship of the universal Christian Church. All Catholics must swear obedience to him.

But we Protestants know better.

Paragraph 4. The Lord Jesus Christ is the Head of the church, in whom, by the appointment of the Father, all power for the calling, institution, order or government of the church, is invested in a supreme and sovereign manner;7 neither can the Pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof, but is that antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalts himself in the church against Christ, and all that is called God; whom the Lord shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.
Col. 1:18; Matt. 28:18-20; Eph. 4:11,12; 2 Thess. 2:2-9” (1989 London Baptist Confession of Faith: Chapter 26, Of the Church)
 

Iconoclast

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Revelation was written by the Apostle John from the Isle of Patmos in the year of 98 A.D when there was no nation of Israel. She had ceased to exist as a nation. The Roman General, Titus, had come in 70 A.D. and destroyed the city of Jerusalem, completely razed the Temple, and the nation was dispersed. There was no nation to be called Israel.

You are wrong. Israel did not exist again as a nation until 1948 when the UN gave them land, the land of Palestine, which so long ago was promised to Abraham and his seed--physical seed through the 12 tribes of Jacob, and his descendents. They will fully claim it once again when Christ comes for the nation of Israel, and they, as a nation, will look upon him whom they have pierced, and accept him as their Messiah. We look for that coming.
As John, in 98 A.D. prayed, "Even so come Lord Jesus."

I believe the early date is possible...before the temple was destroyed.John was told to measure the temple...that would not be possible after 70ad.
 

Iconoclast

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The idea and interpretation that the Great Whore is first century Israel is ridiculous for many reasons.

1. Israel is not that city which present tense "reigneth" over the nations of this world when John wrote - Rev. 17:18

And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. - Rev. 17:18


2. Israel was destroyed in A.D. 70 as a nation but the Great Whore continues to exist right up until a yet future time when the ten kings join with the Beast to war against Christ - that time had not yet come when John wrote.


12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 ¶ These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them:.....16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire
.

a. these ten kings were not in power when John wrote.

b. these ten kings burn the whore when they reign with the beast for one hour

c. the time of this "one hour" is not only future from John's day but is the time when they join in war against the Lamb with those who come with the Lamb.

Hello biblicist...Here is from Days of Vengeance,by Chilton; It is much scripture to consider...but I find it hard to counter. As time permits consider it...the book is free online....Even if you do not see it as I do, there are many helpful thoughts he expresses throughout the book...

While some in recent years have attempted to see the Great Harlot of Revelation as the City of Rome, the Church throughout Christian history has generally understood that she is in some sense a False Bride, a demonic parody of the True Bride, the Church.

The Biblical motif of the Bride falling into adultery (apostasy) is so well-known that such an identification is all but inescapable. The metaphor of harlotry is exclusively used in the Old Testament for a city ornation that has abandoned the Covenant and turned toward false gods; and, with only two exceptions (see on v. 1-2, below), the term is always used for faithless Israel. The Harlot is, clearly, the False Church. At this point, however, agreement shatters into factionalism.


To the Donatist heretics of the fourth century, the Catholic Church was the Whore. Some Greek Orthodox and Protestant theologians have seen her inthe Roman papacy, while many fundamentalists have
spotted her tinsel charms in the World Council of Churches. Although it is true that there may be (and
certainly have been) false churches in the image of the Harlot, we must remember the historical context of the
Revelation and the preterist demands it makes upon its interpreter
s
. Merely to find some example of a false church and identify her as the Whore is not faithful exegesis. St. John has set our hermeneutical boundaries firmly within his own contemporary situation, in the
first century.

He has, in fact, stated definitely that the Harlot was a current phenomenon (17: 18), from which he expects his current readers to separate themselves.
Whatever modern applications are made of this passage, we must see them as just that: applications. The
primary significance of the vision must refer to the False Church of St. John’s day.

We have seen that the Book of Revelation presents us with two great cities, set in antithesis to each other: Babylon and New Jerusalem.


As we shall see in a later
chapter, the New Jerusalem is Paradise Consummated, the community of the saints, the City of God. The
other city, which is continually contrasted to the New Jerusalem, is the old Jerusalem, which has become
unfaithful to God.


Another way to view this is to understand that Jerusalem was intended from the beginning to be the true fulfillment of Babylon, a word meaning “Gate of God.” The place of God’s gracious revelation of Himself and of His covenant should be a true Babylon, a true “Gate of Heaven” and “House of God,” as Jacob understood when he saw God’s staircase
to heaven, the true Tower of Babel, the true pyramid which foretold of Jesus Christ (Gen. 28:10-22; cf. John
1:51). But Jerusalem did not walk worthy of the calling with which it had been called. Like the original
Babylon, Jerusalem turned its back on the true God and sought autonomous glory and dominion; like the
original Babylon, it was apostate; and thus the “Gate of God” became “Confusion” instead (Gen. 11:9).
How did the faithful City become a Harlot? It began
with the apostasy of the priesthood in Israel
. The primary responsibility of the priest (God’s
representative), is to re-present the Bridegroom to the Bride, and to guard her from danger.

Instead, the priesthood led the people in apostasy from their Lord (Matt. 26:14-15, 47, 57-68; 27:1-2, 20-25,41-43, 62-66).
Because of the priesthood’s failure to bring the Bridegroom to Israel, the Bride became a Harlot, in
search of other husbands. The apostasy of the priesthood is described in 13:11-17, under the figure of the Beast from the Land. But the False Bride is not absolved of responsibility. She is guilty as well, and St. John’s prophecy rightly turns now to consider her judgment and destruction.1
The symbolic “Babylon” was d
estroyed when the seventh angel poured out his Chalice, the drinkoffering
of annihilation (16:17-21). As we have seen, this vision is part of the fourth Seven of Revelation –
the Seven Chalices containing the seven plagues. The connection is provided in 17:1 (cf. 21:9), which tells us
that it is one of the seven Chalice-angels who gives St. John the vision of the judgment of the Great Harlot.
This vision, therefore, opens up the meaning of theSeventh Chalice, the destruction of Jerusalem.
 
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The Identity of the Harlot (17:1-7)
1 And one of the seven angels who had the Seven Chalices came and spoke with me, saying: Come here, I will show
you the judgment of the great Harlot who sits on many waters,
2 with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and those who dwell on the Land were made drunk with
the wine of her fornication.
3 And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness; and I saw a Woman sitting on a scarlet Beast, full of
blasphemous names, having seven heads and ten horns.
4 And the Woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having
in her hand a gold cup full of abominations and of the unclean things of her fornication,
5 and upon her forehead a name written: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF THE
HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE LAND.
6 And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus. And when I
saw her, I wondered with great wonder.
7 And the angel said to me, Why do you wonder? I will tell

THE FALSE BRIDE
1. The failure of the priesthood, and the consequences of this for the Bride, are recurring themes in Scripture.
17:1
you the mystery of the Woman and of the Beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns.
1-2 The vision of the Seven Chalices continues: One of the seven angels who had the Seven Chalices shows
St. John the fall of the Great Harlot who sits on many waters. St. John’s readers have already been told of a
Harlot-City named “Babylon the Great” (14:8; 16:19), and the Harlot’s resemblance to the original Babylon is
underscored by the information that she sits on many waters, an image taken from Jeremiah’s description of
Babylon in his famous oracle of judgment against her (Jer. 50-51). The expression many waters of Jeremiah
51:13 refers both to the Euphrates, which ran through the middle of the city, and to the canals surrounding it. Ultimately, it refers to the blessings which God had bestowed on Babylon, and which she prostituted for her
own glory. Thus St. John describes the Great Harlot of his day in terms of her prototype and model. Later, in
17:15, we are informed of one aspect of the symbolic meaning of the “many waters,” but for now the point is
merely the identification of the Harlot with Babylon.
At the same time, however, we must recognize that at every other point in Revelation where the expression
many waters is used, it is set within a description of God’s covenantal relationship and liturgical
interaction with His people. We have noted that the Voice from the Glory-Cloud sounds like many waters,
and that this Voice is produced by the innumerable angels in the heavenly council (Ezek. 1:24). Similarly,
in Revelation 1:15 Christ’s Voice is “like the sound of many waters” (cf. Ezek. 43:2); in 14:2 St. John again
hears the Voice from heaven as “the sound of many waters”; and in 19:6 the great multitude of the
redeemed, having entered the angelic council in heaven, joins in a song of praise, which St. John hears
as “the sound of many waters.” The expression is thus reminiscent of both God’s gracious revelation and His people’s liturgical response of praise and obedience.
Given the Biblical background and context of the phrase, it would come as no surprise to St. John’s
readers that the Woman should be seen seated on “many waters.” The surprise is that she is a whore. She
has taken God’s good gifts and prostituted them (Ezek. 16:6-16; Rom. 2:17-24).

The Harlot-City has committed fornication with the kings of the earth. This expression is taken from
Isaiah’s prophecy against Tyre, where it primarily refers to her international commerce (Isa. 23: 15-17);
Nineveh as well is accused of “many harlotries” with other nations (Nahum 3:4).2 Most often, however, the
image of a city or nation playing the harlot with the kingdoms of the world is used in reference to the
rebellious Covenant people. Speaking against apostate Jerusalem, Isaiah mourned:
How the faithful City has become a Harlot,
She who was once full of justice! Righteousness once lodged in her, But now murderers. (Isa. 1:21)
The imagery of Israel’s adultery is fairly common in the prophets, as they bring God’s Covenant Lawsuit against
the Bride who has abandoned her Husband.3 Jeremiah spoke against Israel as the Harlot, seeking after the false
gods of the heathen in place of her true Husband:

For long ago I broke your yoke
And tore off your bonds;
But you said, “I will not serve!”
For on every high hill
And under every green tree
You have lain down as a harlot. . . .
You are a swift young camel entangling her ways,
A wild donkey accustomed to the wilderness,
That sniffs the wind in her passion.
In the time of her heat who can turn her away?
All who seek her will not become weary;
In her month they will find her. . . .
Your sword has devoured your prophets
Like a destroying lion.
O generation, hear the Word of the LORD.
Have I been a wilderness to Israel,
Or a land of thick darkness?
Why do My people say, “We are free to roam;
We will come no more to Thee”?
Can a virgin forget her ornaments,
Or a Bride her attire?
Yet My people have forgotten Me
Days without number.
How well you prepare your way
To seek love!
Therefore even the wicked women
You have taught your ways. . . .
God says, If a husband divorces his wife,
And she goes from him
And belongs to another man,
Will he still return to her?
Will not that land be completely polluted?
But you are a harlot with many lovers;
Yet you turn to Me, declares the LORD.
Lift up your eyes to the bare heights and see;
Where have you not been violated?
By the roads you have sat for them
Like an Arab in the desert,
And you have polluted a land
With your harlotry and with your wickedness.
Therefore the showers have been withheld,
And there has been no spring rain.
Yet you had a harlot’s forehead;
You refused to be ashamed. (Jer. 2:20-24, 30-33; 3:1-3)

Israel’s adulteries, Hosea said, took place “on every threshing floor” (Hos. 9:1): The picture is that of a
woman prostituting herself for money in the grain house in harvest-tim
e. This carries a double meaning.
First, Israel was apostatizing into Baal-worship, seeking harvest blessing and fertility from false gods (forgetting
that fertility, and blessing in every area, can come only from the one true God). Second, the Temple was built
on a threshing floor (2 Chron. 3:1), symbolizing God’s
171 2. It is noteworthy that Tyre and Nineveh – the only two cities outside of Israel that are accused of harlotry – had both been in covenant with God. The kingdom of Tyre in David and Solomon’s time was converted to the worship of the true God, and her king contracted a covenant with Solomon and assisted in the building of the Temple (1 Kings 5:1-12; 9:13; Amos 1:9); Nineveh was converted under the ministry of Jonah (Jon. 3:5-10). The later apostasy of these two cities could rightly be considered harlotry.
3. For a brief survey of the harlot motif in Scripture, see Francis Schaeffer’s excellent little book
17:1-2 action throughout history in separating the chaff from His holy wheat (Job 21:18; Ps. 1:4; 35:5; Isa. 17:13;
Luke 3:17). The threshing floor is also symbolic of the marriage relationship: The union of Boaz and Ruth
took place on his threshing floor (Ruth 3), and the action of grinding at a mill is a Biblical image of sexual
relations (Job 31:10; Isa. 47:2; Jer. 25:10).4 Thus, instead of consummating her marriage to God through
worship at His threshing floor, the Bride went whoring after every other threshing floor, prostrating herself
before strange gods and alien altars.
Apostate Jerusalem is the Harlot-city; this theme becomes even more prominent in the prophecy of
Ezekiel, particularly in Ezekiel 16 and 23,
where it is clear that her “adulteries” consist of religious-political
alliances with powerful heathen kingdoms (see, e.g., Ezek. 16:26-29). The people of Jerusalem in Ezekiel’s
day had abandoned the true faith and had turned to heathen gods and ungodly nations for help, rather than
trusting in God to be their protector and deliverer. It is important to note that while Israel herself seems to
have regarded these relationships in primarily political terms, the prophets emphasized that the religious issue
was central. The reliance of the Covenant nation on heathen powers could not be viewed as mere political
expediency; it was nothing less than harlotry. Using language so graphic and explicit that most modern
pastors won’t preach from these chapters,5 Ezekiel condemns Jerusalem as a degraded, wanton whore:
“You spread your legs to every passerby to multiply your
harlotry” (Ezek. 16:25).

Ezekiel’s sarcastic portrayal of Israel’s adultery is sharp and vivid: She lusts after the
(supposedly) well-endowed Egyptians, whose sex organs are the size of donkeys’ genitals, and who
produce semen in such prodigious amounts that it rivals that of a horse (16:26; 23:20). Her adulterous desire
(inflamed by pornographic pictures, 23:14-16) is so great that she is willing to pay strangers to come to her,
rather than the other way around (16:33-34); she even masturbates with the “male images” she has made (16:
17). Ezekiel’s prophecy was crude, and he most certainly offended many of his listeners; but he was
simply giving them a faithful description of how offensive they were to God. In the view of the all-holy
God who spoke through Ezekiel, nothing could be more obscene than the Bride’s apostasy from her divine
Husband.

The same was true of Israel in the first century. At the very moment when the promised Bridegroom arrived,
Israel was fornicating with Caesar. The sight of her true Husband only drove her further into adulterous union
with “the kings of the earth.” Rejecting Christ’s kingship (cf. 1 Sam. 8:7-8), the chief priests cried: “We
have no King but Caesar!” (John 19:15).
 
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DHK

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The same was true of Israel in the first century. At the
very moment when the promised Bridegroom arrived,
Israel was fornicating with Caesar. The sight of her true
Husband only drove her further into adulterous union
with “the kings of the earth.” Rejecting Christ’s
kingship (cf. 1 Sam. 8:7-8), the chief priests cried: “We
have no King but Caesar!” (John 19:15).
This is a very long post, and seems to be copied and pasted.
You have not given a source. Where did it come from?
Who authored it? If it is not your own material, then it is plagiarism.
 
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I believe the early date is possible...before the temple was destroyed.John was told to measure the temple...that would not be possible after 70ad.
Possible isn't good enough. Scientists say that it is possible that the earth broke off the moon billions of years ago. Anything is "possible," but not all things are "credible."
The 70 A.D. date is not a credible date for the book. The evidence speaks against it. John was in heaven, measuring the dimensions of a Temple which was in heaven. There was no actual temple, at least not on earth. Read the description. What temple on earth has the names of the 12 apostles written in the foundations of walls?

Revelation 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

This is not descriptive of Herod's Temple which was destroyed in 70 A.D.!

Revelation 21:19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
--No Temple on earth ever looked like this.

John wrote the book in the late 90's.
Almost all credilbe evangelical scholars point to that date.
The so-called scholars that don't are usually liberal wanting to undermine the veracity of prophecy and often the fundamentals of the faith.
 

Gerhard Ebersoehn

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this 'Great Whore is isreal" is partially based upon mistaken belief that God cut all ties with isreal AD 70, but the OT prophets and Apsotles saw that God was merely puttingthem on hold, to deal mainly with the gentiles, and will get back to dealing with them as preparing them to meet jesus at second coming John foresaw!


So are nations saved or are individuals saved; or generations of nations or generations of individuals?

Doesn't make sense to me.
 

Gerhard Ebersoehn

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And thats exactly what happens in a Born Again experience. Simply amazing how that works, right!:thumbs:

And thats why I somehow dont believe in the authenticity of many claiming to have been born again. Would not a authentic church want to spread the WORD, need to, feel compeled to reach out to those who are in lethergy in order to wake them. I become dispondent when I find churches claiming the blood but sit on their arses.

Wow, wake up ...... become alive......walk the streets....find out who is suffering in your own darn community & become Christ. This is NOT rocket science!!!!!


And even less (if possible) the Gospel of Jesus Christ because yours is the sad news of course legalism and salvation by works.
 
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