The Greatest American

Sure, when he is misquoted, deliberately or ignorantly. The MSM campaigned viciously against him and people still repeat the distortions they created.

 

Roger Williams

 

I have a nice collection of various biographies of Washington, and what he accomplished puts him in that category. Next to him, Franklin's diplomatic service and political leadership puts him right up there next to GW. Jefferson is in the same category, and among modern Americans, FDR.

 

Having read my original post in this thread, I realized that I hadn't properly read the OP. The greatest positive impact - Washington, Jefferson, John Adams for the founding documents, etc. (Obviously others involved in that process). beyond that - Jonathan Edwards, Adoniram Judson, Abigail Adams. Would have to include MacArthur and others who have called the American church back to exposition of Scripture and Biblical counseling - this is a huge poistive impact.

Greatest negatvie impact - Hamilton for the national bank, Lincoln, TR, FDR and every President since for their total disregard of the Consititution.

 

You would know all about how that feels, right? :tongue3: :laugh:

 

AMEN!!! to Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson.
Anyone who has studied the life of him would really understand how great this man was.

For example.....He loved to teach Sunday School to little children before the war. The interesting thing is, which is against popular so-called history, the children he taught were little black children, mostly slave children. He taught them to read, write and most importantly about Jesus.

I encourage anyone who is a fan of history to read more about this amazing man and watch the movie Gods and Generals. It is about him.:godisgood:

 

But he did fight to keep those black children in bondage, right?

 

No, he did not. The war had nothing to do with slavery. Study the true history and you will see. Not the "politcally correct" version we are feed in public schools.

"There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil" - General Robert E. Lee

" We did not go to war to end slavery, but to put the flag back, and to act differently at this moment would, I have no doubt, not only weaken our cause but smack of bad faith"- Abraham Lincoln

"I will say that, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the black and white races"-Abraham Lincoln

"I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so." -Abraham Lincoln

I could go on and on with soooo many quotes that are documented that are left out of our public history books. When you start really digging and the truth speaks to you, it is very interesting.
Remember, Satan is the prince of the air, but Jesus Our Lord is Lord of all!!:jesus:

 

I was going to say Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson, but others said it first. He was a Christian, first and foremost, which is what I most admire about him most. He was a Presbyterian to boot. He was better general than his opponents, and better than most of his fellow Southerners. He lost one standing fight, Kernstown in the Shenandoah Valley in March of 1862. But in every other field he owned his enemy. The Valley campaign put him in the class of Alexander the great, Napoleon, and the other great generals through history. His defensive actions at Second Manassas and Antietam, against forces twice the size of his, are almost unheard of. Then the flank atack at Chancellorsville, a true military beauty, still studied today. Too bad, that was the last one. I often wonder what would have happened if he would have lived. Lee was a great general, Longstreet and Jackson made him almost unbeatable. My vote is for Stonewall.

 

I would have to say Washington or Jefferson. Lincoln didnt intend to free the slaves in the beginning. He sent alot of Americans to their early grave. He allowed Sherman to murder,rape and wage war on a innocent civilian population in the south. MLK was no angel. He had fidelity issues. I cant wait till his files are made public.

 

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Haha, you can not be serious. I know there were other issues but slavery was the MAJOR issue. With out the souths instence that they keep there slaves there would have been no war.

And just because you quote Lincon saying that he does want to bring about the equallity of races does not mean that the war was not about slavery.

Lincon may not have been as advanced as we have and are becoming when thinking about race but he was much more advanced then the leaders in the south.

Why dont you tell me what the war was about.

 

May a British guy step into the conversation?

My understanding, from what I have read and discussed, is the issue was state rights. Bringing the slavery issue to the fore was a political move by Lincoln.

Slavery played a part, but not as much as some would have us think.

I am open to being wrong here, but this is how I see it.

 

Yup. The states rights to keep slaves! The federal goverment wanted to abolish the practice of slavery and the states seen this as the federal goverment steping on their rights to decide for themselfs if they should have slaves or not.

You can not take slavery out of the war because that is what the fight was over. Now saying it was "states rights" does not make the south sound like the "bad guys" The but fact is the war was over "states rights to own slaves"

If I am wrong name some of the other rights the states feel were being taken from them.

 

The reason they wanted to secede. Slavery.

I never said that the Norths motives were purly moral. They may have had other motives. I dont know, but it was over slavery.

Slavery was THE issue, the reason the south wanted to secede.

Dont read my posts as being "morally superior" because that is not how I am meaning them to be. First I am from the West, so I dont realy have a stake in either side. Second I am not calling you a bad guy because you are from the south. Nobody today was alive when these issues were dealt with. I just dont think we should be defending those who were around and fought on the wrong side of the issue. People here are naming confederate generals as being their heros. I just cant see that beings they fought for a goverment whos main purpose was to keep slavery and start their own country so they could keep slavery. That is not to say the North was spotless, but they were on the right side of the issue in this instance.

Pretty much every issue you named boiles down to slavery.

 

So beings that the key issue was slavery, is it right to hold up the confederate generals as heros.