Is this what the Philippian jailor was asking?:
Acts Chapter 16
30 | and brought them out and said, Sirs, what must I do to go to heaven? |
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Acts Chapter 16
30 | and brought them out and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved from hell? |
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The Heart Of The Gospel
- Thread starter KenH
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Is this what the Philippian jailor was asking?:
Acts Chapter 16
or
Acts Chapter 16
Tell me something you haven’t said before and sober up enough to read what I actually said.
I’ll say it again, I didn’t say anything about heaven or hell, you did. I was not talking about heaven or hell. You are. It’s no wonder you disagree with me, you put words in my mouth and insist that I said them.
Quote me in this thread. I’ll wait.
Read it yourself. I didn’t say it. You did.
I don’t ask people about their eternal hotel reservations. Since you don’t know me, you show how foolish you are by answering me this way multiple times for something that I don’t do and also find distracting from the sin problem that separated man from God in the first place. Get off your hobby horse and read.
Was he told to believe without thinking?
I don't drink or do drugs. Who do you think you are?
Here:
What is that to you? The 'formula' for immortality? What does 'saved' mean to you? Saved from hell?
Silverhair
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What does the bible say KY?
Act 16:30 and after he brought them out, he said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
Act 16:31 They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."
In other words KY if you believe you will be saved if you do not then you will not be saved.
Not hard to figure out if you can get past your errant C/R view.
David Lamb
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But those of us who believe Calvinist doctrines certainly believe Acts 16:31, so there is no need to "get past our errant (according to you) C?R view."
So "gospel" is used just to draw attention to the teaching?
Glad to hear it. Sobriety is not only a measure of blood alcohol content or drug use. It is also a measure of seriousness. You haven’t seriously answered what I said. You keep trying to say that I am saying something that I am not.
I want you to seriously consider what I said and stop rabbit trailing down your favorite hobby horse trails.
I’ll answer your question after you answer mine.
The original post said that salvation has nothing to do with what we think do or say.
Belief is something that has to be thought.
What do you believe that you have not thought?
Do you believe that unbelievers are going to be saved because they were chosen and thereby their belief is inconsequential on the basis of their being chosen?
Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
This sounds like speaking and thinking to me. Salvation is a different subject than what I am addressing. I would be happy to discuss what salvation is when you can clear up this question of personal responsibility in relation to salvation.
Silverhair
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How can that be true when you deny the ability of man to made real free will choices regarding their salvation.
As Paul clearly points out to the jailer, the condition for his salvation is belief in the the Lord Jesus. But your religion says salvation is unconditional which is clearly an errant view.
The last thing I need is YOU preaching to me, about anything. I'm thinking YOU were the one drinking last night.
Faith is a conviction, not a product of mental exercise or thought process.
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KenH
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Sorry, but I don't understand your question.
From what was posted in the OP picture I take it that the "Gospel of Grace" is the gospel of Jesus Christ plus interpretations of justification, imputation (of righteousness), views of the basis of justification, a paticular theory regarding the scope of Christ's work, a specific theory of Atonement, and a non-literal interpretation of Romans 10:9. It is the gospel of Jesus Christ plus what the writer of the words in the OP believes is taught by the Bible.
I am asking if those who invested or use the term "Gospel of Grace" chose those words, perhaps because Paul used a form of those words (although differently), to draw attention to or project an idea of legitimacy upon the teaching.
Nope. I’m a teetotaler.
What convictions do you have that you maintain without thinking?
Why was it important that the Ethiopian understand what he was reading?
I don't have to think about this to maintain it:
Hebrews Chapter 11
1 | Now faith is assurance of things hoped for, a conviction of things not seen. |
It doesn't appear that these had to 'think' about it either, something just 'clicked' within them when they heard it, it was GOOD NEWS:
Acts Chapter 13
48 | And as the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of God: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. |
The fact that he was reading indicates something had already 'clicked' with him.
David Lamb
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Of course it can be true that: 1) sinners must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ in order to be saved, whilst at the same time, 2) God's enabling is required for a sinner to believe on the Saviour.
Your last sentence, "But your religion says salvation is unconditional which is clearly an errant view." shows me that you are still misunderstanding what I believe. You seem to suggest that I believe that I am saved regardless of whether or not I believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Let me assure you that any sinner, me included, must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved.
But you have never thought it?
Funny how you say it just clicked. I only say that when something just makes sense. It only just makes sense in a just clicked way when the thoughts are arranged correctly. I’ve never heard that phrase used for anything but thinking.
We have disagreed here before. There is personal responsibility written into the words used in the Greek. There is thought happening.
So anyone who picks up a Bible is saved before they start reading because of a nondescript click that brought them to the Bible?
That is backwards from faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.
Did you believe or did God believe for you?
Silverhair
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In order for there to be conviction there has to have been some thinking on the part of the person that was convicted.
Conviction: the act of convincing a person by argument or evidence.
So you comment is illogical.
Silverhair
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Think about what you just wrote David:
"Of course it can be true that:
1) sinners must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ in order to be saved, whilst at the same time,
2) God's enabling is required for a sinner to believe on the Saviour."
So if God does not enable a person to believe then it is impossible for them to believe, correct? But what is the outcome of that view? Those that reject God have the best excuse going when asked by God why they should not be cast into hell? "God did not enable them to believe" therefore if God is just, and He is, then He cannot cast them into hell as they did not have the ability to trust in His son.
When you remove responsibility from the person then you also remove the consequence.
But when we look at scripture we see that God desires all to come to Him so He either gave all men the ability to trust in Him or He is being disingenuous knowing full well that all men cannot do as He desires as He has not given them the ability to do so.
What you believe to be biblical is not the question, it is what is actually biblical.
Look at your DoG/TULIP and what does it show us?
Only those that are included in the Unconditional Election that will partake of the Limited Atonement will then be drawn to God by His Irresistible Grace.
Your religion also claims that you were in Christ before creation.
If, according to Calvinism, you are not part of this select group then you are doomed form the start.
When one is in Christ they are saved. Therefore if you were in Christ B4 creation you were saved B4 you believed.
Those of the C/R view have even gone so far as to state that one is saved before they believe.
"A man is not saved because he believes in Christ, he believes in Christ because he is saved." Loraine Boettner The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination, Page 75
As a bible believer I can fully agree with what Paul said to the jailer without qualification. Those that hold to the C/R philosophy cannot do that.
As long as you hold to the C/R philosophy then you are in disagreement with the word of God.
I'm a teatotaler. I don't drink...not opposed to it, I just don't like the taste. But I do like sweet tea.