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The Hebrew Intent Of An In-Concert Fall

Paleouss

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Greetings to all my brothers and sisters in Christ. I'm still on the "Satan's fall" kick and trying to seek truth and clarity.

The story in Genesis 3 is in fact a depiction of three characters falling in-concert with one another. It reads like a single, interconnected three character communal collapse. Which is just how the Hebrew author intended it.

Originally, Genesis 2:25 and Genesis 3:1 were meant to be read together in a single, uninterrupted way, i.e., Chapter 3 is not a stand alone chapter but is linked linguistically to Genesis chapter 2 and is a continuation of Genesis 2:25. Without Genesis 2:25, the wordplay and the understanding of what is a Hebrew chiasm is lost (which has happened for modern readers which in turn blurs the author's original meaning).

To support this in-concert fall linguistically and textually, one only needs to understand that the Genesis chapter 2-3 text has an intentional Hebrew literary pattern, called a chiasm (a symmetrical chi-shapped structure, A-B-B-A form) that is intended to bind all three characters together. By using the x-shaped literary pattern (or chi), the author attempts to ensure the reader cannot separate the beginning of the story (which is actually Genesis 2:25) from the end. The “X-structure” physically, meaning literarily, locks the characters into a shared fate. The A-B-B-A literary pattern is matching similar sounds, like rhyme, and also direct conceptual opposites (in this case ʿărûmmîm [naked] and ʿārûm [crafty]).

If we zoom out, in Genesis 3:9-19 the author expands this literary x-shaped structure into a larger macro-chiasm (A-B-C-D-C-B-A). In a biblical chiasm, the most critical theological point is always placed dead center, at the vertex of the “X”.

TEXT (x-chiasm):
A. Questioning of the MAN (v9).
B. MAN shifts blame to the woman (v.10-12)
C. WOMAN shifts blame to the serpent (v.13)
→ X. Center Point: Judgment on the SERPENT (v. 14-15)
C. Judgement on the WOMAN (v.16)
B. Judgement on the MAN (v17-19a)
A. Final Sentence of Death to MAN (v. 19b), return to dust.

The serpent’s curse and the Protoevangelium sits alone at the vertex (X). This seven point design shows that the narrative isn’t some randomly designed narrative. It is a highly engineered, symmetrical legal document where every action has an exactly mirrored consequence (A→A), (B→B), (C→C), → (X).

Perfect Symmetry of Justice:
The potential chaos (sin is lawlessness) introduced by their collective sin is met by a highly structured literary device, a perfectly symmetrical layout of divine justice. The structural center point, Genesis 3:14-15, contains layers of sharp Hebrew wordplay. When read in Hebrew, God’s curse on the serpent relies on puns and thematic reversals to directly twist the serpent’s original superior characteristic, ʿārûm (craftiness), into his punishment (’ārūr, “cursed”). Clear evidence that the author never intended to suggest that the serpent's initial “craftiness” was evil, for the thematic reversal would then not work.

God tells the serpent “On your belly you shall go and ‘āpār (dust) you shall eat all the days of your life” (Gen 3:14). This is an ancient Hebrew poetic idiom that expresses total defeat, absolute subjugation, and deep disgrace. This can be affirmed through other scripture as well, such as (1) Micah 7:17, speaking of defeated nations, it says, "They shall lick the dust like a serpent; they shall crawl out of their holes like crawling things of the earth..."; (2) Isaiah 49:23, describing the total submission of Israel's enemies, it says, "With their faces to the ground they shall bow down to you, and lick the dust of your feet."; (3) Psalm 72:9, (Psa 72:9 NKJV) – “Those who dwell in the wilderness will bow before Him, And His enemies will lick the dust”.

Man is said to be formed from ‘āpār (“dust”, Gen 2:7) and God tells man “you are ‘āpār (dust, Gen 3:19) and to ‘āpār (dust) you shall return. By sentencing the Serpent to “eat dust”, the text uses a clear metaphor. Since man is dust (‘āpār), the serpent eating dust implies a horrific, permanent relationship between the serpent and man, and through which the serpent will be subjugated by God.

The Irony of the “In-Concert” Fall
  1. Eve wants to eat the fruit because she wants to go up in status, “like God” (Gen 3:5) and possibly also subjugate her husband (the head).
  2. The serpent, who is of superior intellect to Adam already but does not have Adam’s title of dominion over the earth, and wants to move up in status and be like God, initiates deception of Eve.
  3. Adam, who personally moves his wife’s status above God's by heeding his wife’s words to eat over God’s words to not eat.
  4. As a result of this synchronized, in-concert, event. Eve doesn’t move up in status but is told that her husband will “rule over you” (Gen 3:16). The serpent doesn't move up in status in relation to God or mankind and is told that he is below even cattle and he is a deep disgrace and shall eat dust all the days of his life (Adam being "dust"). Adam, considering his duty to his wife to be over God, is made to have a burden in his duties as head, toiling to provide.
A three character, in-concert fall.

Keep seeking God's truth as if it were hidden treasure.
 
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Deacon

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I enjoy looking for chiastic structure in Scripture.

Allen Ross' commentary on Genesis, "Creation and Blessing" comments on that chasm.

...there is also a deliberate arrangement in an inverted (chiastic) order. First, there is the Lord’s interrogation of the man (3:9–12) and then the interrogation of the woman (v. 13). These are followed by the oracle for the serpent (vv. 14–15), the oracle for the woman (v. 16), and finally the oracle for the man (vv. 17–19). We thus have man—woman—serpent—woman—man. The focus on the serpent is central to the arrangement, which is where the perpetual struggle of good and evil is announced. p. 141.

The Lord’s questioning of the man (3:9–12)
the Lord's questioning of the woman (v. 13)
the Lord's statement to the serpent (vv. 14–15),
the Lord's statement to the woman (v. 16),
the Lord's statement to the man (vv. 17–19),

The chiasm:
(A) man
(B) woman
(C) snake
(B) woman
(A) man
 

percho

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But the question remains;

Was the serpent always the serpent or was the serpent at one time something else? When did the serpent become the serpent?
 

Paleouss

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Greetings percho. Grace and hope in our Lord Jesus Christ.

But the question remains;

Was the serpent always the serpent or was the serpent at one time something else? When did the serpent become the serpent?
The "serpent" of Genesis 3 is not a literal serpent, was never a literal serpent and therefore never became a literal serpent.

See this most recent thread... The Genesis 3 "serpent" Not An Actual Snake


Peace to you brother
 

percho

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Greetings percho. Grace and hope in our Lord Jesus Christ.


The "serpent" of Genesis 3 is not a literal serpent, was never a literal serpent and therefore never became a literal serpent.

See this most recent thread... The Genesis 3 "serpent" Not An Actual Snake


Peace to you brother
I agree that the serpent of Gen 3 is the dragon the great, called the devil and the Satan.

The question relative to Gen 3:1 is; At that moment in time was he the serpent the old?
 

Ascetic X

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For the serpent or devil to have sinned by tempting Eve, it must have fallen into sin previously.

It is error to imply that prior to tempting Eve, the serpent was not fallen, was innocent and sinless.

This “three character, in-concert fall” is incorrect. Three characters did sin, but one, the serpent, was already sinful, so he fell at an earlier time.
 
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Paleouss

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Greetings percho. Grace and hope to you in our Lord Jesus Christ.

I agree that the serpent of Gen 3 is the dragon the great, called the devil and the Satan.

The question relative to Gen 3:1 is; At that moment in time was he the serpent the old?
Technically speaking, the moment Revelation 12:9 and 20:2 were written. From that period looking backward toward previous scripture. The serpent story was "of old". This was the moment that the author, with God inspiring, wanted to refer to the story in Genesis 3 and tell us that the one we call "Satan" is also the "dragon" which is also the "serpent" in the garden.

Peace to you
 

Paleouss

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Greetings
For the serpent or devil to have sinned by tempting Eve, it must have fallen into sin previously.
Please demonstrate your logic and biblical evidence for this. It sounds like the irrelevant distinction of Satan's inward corruption. See also this post in another thread #55.
It is error to imply that prior to tempting Eve, the serpent was not fallen, was innocent and sinless.
Are you claiming this by your authority or God's. If God's then please demonstrate your logic and evidence through biblical text.
This “three character, in-concert fall” is incorrect. Three characters did sin, but one, the serpent, was already sinful, so he fell at an earlier time.
You keep claiming that the serpent was already fallen, but never provide any biblical evidence or even logic based on biblical evidence.

The in-concert fall is supported by the construction of the story. See The Hebrew Intent Of An In-Concert Fall. And again, please provide your evidence that it may be tested against God's word.

Peace to you brother
 

Paleouss

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Greetings @Ascetic X

Tell you what...I'll provide the steps that it looks like the Bible lays out. Attack it all you want. :)


Step #1 Exalted Domain (Eze 28:12-15): Satan is created a guardian cherub (Eze 28:14) that has domain on the mountain of God (Eze 28:14), which is the cosmic temple-mountain of God. The biblical text was written by authors that held a cosmological monism, i.e., they saw a unified cosmos of the physical and spiritual as interlocking and overlapping components of a single creation. This original assigned domain of this morningstar (hêlēl, Isaiah 14:12) on the Mountain of God included guarding the throne room of God (Eze 28:13-14) and the Garden of Eden (Eze 28:13). This puts Satan as the stationed guardian cherub for the very place where Adam and Eve are located in the garden of Eden temple. Thus, seeing Satan in the garden of Eden by Adam and Eve would not be out of place and might have been a frequent occurrence (since he is stationed as a guardian cherub there).


Step #2 The First Sin (Genesis 3): The biblical narrative goes from a pristine, ordered creation in Genesis chapters 1 & 2 to the first introduction of sin into God’s creation in Genesis 3. The Genesis 3 narrative is an all at once, for the first time, “in-concert” fall of all its characters; the serpent, Eve, and Adam. Satan sins for the first time in the garden of Eden which is reinforced by 1John 3:8, John 8:44, and falls outside the parameters boundary of Genesis 1:31. His internal motive that springs forth in Genesis 3 is pride (1Tim 3:6) and seeking to be above God in status (Isa 14:13-14), the external act is the deception of Eve (Gen 3:1-5).

Step #3 The Disgrace and Demotion (Ezekiel 28 & Genesis 3:14): God strips Satan of his high exalted status as a covering cherub on the holy mountain of God (Eden) [Eze 28:14-16] because of his deception of Eve (Gen 3:14, 1-5) and receives his first and only curse of disgrace (Gen 3:14). Both Genesis 3:14 and Ezekiel 28:17-18 describe the exact same physical and symbolic punishment, crawling on the belly (Genesis) and being cast flat to the ground (Ezekiel) and are both the postures of conquered enemies in the ancient Hebrew worldview. This demotion of being driven from his post from the mountain of God, in Eden, removes his status and domain on the mountain of God.

Step #4 Still Has a Place In Heaven (Job 1:6, 2:1): Despite first sinning in the Garden of Eden and being demoted, disgraced, and cast out from the Mountain of God (the comic temple). Satan still has a role in heaven as accuser and has not been banished, cast out of heaven yet.

Step #5 The Prophecy (Genesis 3:15): God gives a prophecy in Genesis 3:15 known as the Protoevangelium. In it God says He will put “enmity” between Satan and God’s faithful (the woman), and between her “seed” and Satan’s “seed”. The use of “seed” here refers to the biblical concept of spiritual sowing and reaping. Just as God becomes our spiritual father (Rom 8:15) when His seed, the word (Matt 1:13-9), is sown and takes hold in our hearts; Satan also becomes the father of those that have received his seed, i.e., his temptations and lies, which produces a like kind spiritual product in their hearts. One needn’t look any further than the very next chapter of Genesis 4 for the first example of this prophecy playing out. In Genesis 4 Cain becomes “of the wicked one” (1John 3:12), a seed of Satan (of the sowing and reaping variety) and a murderer. This is not a biological seed of Satan but a spiritually affiliated seed of Satan.

Step #6 The Reaction & Lying In Wait (Revelation 12:4): Enraged by his disgrace, after hearing the just issued prophecy of Genesis 3:15, Satan immediately uses his cunning influence (tail, Revelation 12:4a) to pull a third of the angels into his rebellion, sending them to earth. Satan has not been thrown out of heaven yet, only the Mountain of God. Because of the prophecy of Genesis 3:15, Satan knows his death blow is coming through the woman (not an actual woman but God’s spiritual line of the faithful), but has no idea when or who. He takes his influenced angels and positions them to wait, deceive, influence, ambush and devour any child (Rev 12:4b).

Step #7 Murder, The First Ambush (Genesis 4): One of Satan’s first acts of ambush to overturn the prophecy of Genesis 3:15 was the influence of Cain. Cain, who is of the wicked one (1John 3:12), was the first historically recorded ambush on God’s faithful when Abel was murdered by Cain, a conflict that is a representation of Genesis 3:15.

Step #8 The Kingdom Of God Is Upon You (Matt 12:29-30): Jesus, after immediately upon coming up from the water, “He saw the heavens parting and the Spirit descending upon Him like a dove” (Mark 1:10). Jesus Christ at this moment was anointed. In ancient Near Easter and OT tradition, a king could not claim the throne until formally announced, anointed, and publicly validated. Upon Jesus’ anointing with the Holy Spirit and announced by John the Baptist, Jesus began preaching the “Kingdom of God is at hand”, which means God’s rule has arrived (Mark 1:15, Matt 4:17, Luke 10:9). This is supported by Jesus’ statement of authority, “if I cast out demons…surely the kingdom of God is come upon you” (Matt 12:28-29), which is demonstrated when the seventy return and say, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name” (Luke 10:17). Jesus has just invaded the house (kingdom of darkness), bound the “strong man” (Matt 12:28-29), i.e., Satan’s authority on earth, and is plundering his house.

Step #9 The Eviction From Heaven (Revelation 12:7-9): Satan maintained a place in heaven as “the accuser” or representative of some sort, until the incarnation, baptism and ministry. But the realization of the evasion of the "kingdom of God” into his “kingdom of darkness” prompts Satan to make a last ditch war in heaven. A war then breaks out in heaven where Satan and his angels do not prevail (Rev 12:7). There is no longer a place found for Satan and his angels in heaven (Rev 12:8) and He is cast out of heaven (Rev 12:9), falling like lightning from the sky to the earth (Luke 10:18) as witnessed by Jesus.

Step #10 The Victory Celebration (Isaiah 12 & Revelation 12:10-12): Heavenly celebration, Isaiah 12 looking forward to it and Revelation 12:10-12 looking back at it, because God’s wrath is turned away and the advocate has arrived through the Savior.


Keep seeking God's truth as if it were hidden treasure.
 

percho

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Greetings percho. Grace and hope to you in our Lord Jesus Christ.


Technically speaking, the moment Revelation 12:9 and 20:2 were written. From that period looking backward toward previous scripture. The serpent story was "of old". This was the moment that the author, with God inspiring, wanted to refer to the story in Genesis 3 and tell us that the one we call "Satan" is also the "dragon" which is also the "serpent" in the garden.

Peace to you

From Acts 26:18 YLT to open their eyes, to turn them from darkness to light, and from the authority of the Adversary [Satan] unto God, for their receiving forgiveness of sins,
Eph 6:11,12 YLT put on the whole armour of God, for your being able to stand against the wiles of the devil, because we have not the wrestling with blood and flesh, but with the principalities, with the authorities, with the world-rulers of the darkness of this age, with the spiritual things of the evil in the heavenly places;
2 Cor 4:4-6 YLT in whom the god of this age did blind the minds of the unbelieving, that there doth not shine forth to them the enlightening of the good news of the glory of the Christ, who is the image of God; for not ourselves do we preach, but Christ Jesus -- Lord, and ourselves your servants because of Jesus; because it is [The] God who said, Out of darkness light is to shine, who did shine in our hearts, for the enlightening of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

And the woman seeth that the tree is good for food, and that it is pleasant to the eyes, and the tree is desirable to make one wise, and she taketh of its fruit and eateth, and giveth also to her husband with her, and he doth eat; and the eyes of them both are opened, and they know that they are naked, and they sew fig-leaves, and make to themselves girdles. Gen 3:6,7 YLT


she taketh of its fruit and eateth, and giveth also to her husband with her, and he doth eat

At that very moment did they need to be turned from darkness to light?

What Darkness? What Light?

Was the darkness of this age and the god of this age present on the earth in verse 2 of Genesis 1?

Gen 1:5 and God calleth to the light 'Day,' and to the darkness He hath called 'Night;' and there is an evening, and there is a morning -- day one.
John 11:9,10 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world. But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

Is that not speaking of the same day and night?

Rev 21:25
And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
Rev 22:5
And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

What is the missing darkness God called night?
 
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