Is this the best you can do to address the specific scriptures referenced? Pathetic.
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The Holy Spirit in The Book of Hebrews
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In John 4:24 is Spirit the God, the Father and compared with John 8:54 (ἐστιν· ἔστιν ὁ πατήρ μου ὁ δοξάζων με ὃν ὑμεῖς λέγετε ὅτι θεὸς ὑμῶν ἐστιν) is Spirit the God of John 4:24 the Father of Jesus? Now compare those thoughts with Matt 1:18,20 and tell me about
And the Word became flesh, and did tabernacle among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of an only begotten of a father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14
Now I will ask why my thread titled Gen 1:1-4 is nuts.
Did Spirit the God, Holy send his, very being, heart and intent, Word, in flesh through the seed ( γεννηθὲν M 1:20) of the virgin woman Mary as Holy (see is Holy last two words in Greek 1:20 and brought forth as Holy One by Joseph not knowing her before she brought forth her first born son?
One more question. Did the Father raise the Son out of the dead ones by His Spirit?
Well percho lets, let scripture tell us... Brother Glen
John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Well percho lets, let scripture tell us... Brother Glen
John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Ok
The KJV translates Strong's G2983 in the following manner: receive (133x), take (106x), have (3x), catch (3x), not translated (1x), miscellaneous (17x).
Paul, an apostle -- not from men, nor through man, but through Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who did raise him out of the dead --
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Wonder where that in bold comes from?
This Jesus did God raise up, of which we are all witnesses; at the right hand then of God having been exalted -- also the promise of the Holy Spirit having received from the Father -- he was shedding forth this, which now ye see and hear;
BTW just noticed
Could Jesus have taken the promise of the Spirit from the Father? Methinks that is the same word.
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SavedByGrace
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πνεῦμα ὁ θεός is correctly "God is spirit", which in the context is the Father
Galatiansl 4:6
Because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying out, “Abba! Father!”
John 17:21
that they may all be one; just as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
John 14:26
"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you"
Thus each and every born anew believer sealed in Christ has (1) the Father in the Son, (2) the Son in the indwelt person, and (3) the Holy Spirit. Not the same person, but all Three Persons, according to scripture.
Note not one poster has explained why this conclusion is invalid. But post after post has tried to change the subject by making false charges. I am open to an explanation based on scripture. Have at it!
Because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying out, “Abba! Father!”
John 17:21
that they may all be one; just as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
John 14:26
"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you"
Thus each and every born anew believer sealed in Christ has (1) the Father in the Son, (2) the Son in the indwelt person, and (3) the Holy Spirit. Not the same person, but all Three Persons, according to scripture.
Note not one poster has explained why this conclusion is invalid. But post after post has tried to change the subject by making false charges. I am open to an explanation based on scripture. Have at it!
SavedByGrace
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I will buy.
God is Spirit and is the Father.
Holy I assume?
And as I asked. Comparing that to Matt 1:18.20, Who is the Father? God is Spirit, Holy I assume or the Holy Spirit, personally, that is?
Father of ? Son?
How is our being sons of God, Abba, Father different to Jesus as spoken of in John 4:23,24 & 8:54? Is Matt 1:18,20,25 Gal 4:4 and 5 Rom 8:15 relative?
SavedByGrace
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God is spirit and is the Father as in John 4:24.
The Holy Spirit is also God, and in Matthew 1:18, 20, is the Person Who caused Mary to conceive Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit is not God the Father, but a distinct Person. Jesus Christ is the Son of God the Father. It is a Great Mystery
We are adpoted children of God, Jesus Christ is essentially God, as are the Father and Holy Spirit.
Obviously the concept is not widely held, so how are alternate views supported?
SavedByGrace
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Which one be either Modualism or Oneness!
Sorry, but if the Father is in the Son, and the Son is in the Father, why do you say it is "impossible" for the Third Person of the Trinity to be in the Son and in the Father? What verse suggests that the Spirit of Christ, meaning Christ's Spirit cannot be the Second Person of the Trinity?
In Galatians, God sent "the Spirit of His Son" into our hearts, but scripture also says our indwelt "Helper" is the Holy Spirit (presumably the Third Person of the Trinity.)
I am looking for scripture, not "taint so" posts explaining why anyone objects to the Spirit of Christ being Christ's Spirit, the second Person of the Trinity.
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Off topic false charges is all empty suits have to offer. They consistently try to bury truth in a sea of falsehoods.
SavedByGrace
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which is heretical, as this would mean that the Holy Spirit was born form Mary and died for our sins on the cross!
SavedByGrace
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The Godhead is ONE, in this Godhead, there are Three distinct, but Equal Persons, Who are Essentially One.
John 10:30 shows this with the Father and Jesus: "Ἐγὼ καὶ ὁ πατὴρ ἕν ἐσμεν", which is literally, "I and the Father One Thing We are". We have the masculine plural "ἐσμεν", which cannot mean one "Person", Then we have the neuter, singular, "ἕν", which is "essential" unity, which we have from the context of 28-30.
The Oririnal reading of 1 John 5:7, says the same, "ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες εν τῷ οὐρανῷ, ὁ πατήρ, ὁ λόγος, καὶ τὸ Ἅγιον Πνεῦμα· καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἕν εἰσιν". Here we have in the text that is accepted by all, “τρεις εισιν οι μαρτυρουντες”, is in the masculine plural, which can only refer to, "ὁ πατήρ, ὁ λόγος, καὶ τὸ Ἅγιον Πνεῦμα"; and "ἕν", is neuter singular as in John 10:30
What was the purpose of this post? To imply I do not understand the Trinity doctrine of One God in three Persons. That is a given. The issue of whether the Spirit of Christ is Christ's Spirit, the Second Person of the Trinity was not even addressed!
John 10:30 I and the Father are One. Thus the Trinity is One God in more than one Person.
You have claimed (or at least implied) the Spirit of Christ is the Third Person of the Trinity, but you have provided absolutely no support for the claim. I provided scripture saying the Spirit of the Son was in our hearts, clearly indicating Christ's Spirit, the Second Person of the Trinity is indwelt.
which is heretical, as this would mean that the Holy Spirit was born form Mary and died for our sins on the cross!
van states that the second person of the trinity is the Spirit of Christ, but that Christ indwells us, so?
Van, that is excellent IMHO also consider what Jesus said;
'I will not leave you bereaved, I come unto you; 14:18
in that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you; 20
How, via Holy Spirit.
Paul to whom God did will to make known what is the riches of the glory of this secret among the nations -- which is Christ in you, the hope of the glory, Col 1:27
Let's go backward
for in (to the) hope we were saved, and hope beheld is not hope; for what any one doth behold, why also doth he hope for it? and if what we do not behold we hope for, through continuance we expect it. R 8:24,25
And not only so, but also we ourselves, having the first-fruit of the Spirit, we also ourselves in ourselves do groan, adoption expecting -- the redemption of our body; 23
20 for to vanity was the creation made subject -- not of its will, but because of Him who did subject it -- in hope, (Dative, if that matters?)
for the earnest looking out of the creation doth expect the revelation of the sons of God; 19
for as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God; for ye did not receive a spirit of bondage again for fear, but ye did receive a spirit of adoption in which we cry, 'Abba -- Father.' 14,15
And ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God doth dwell in you; and if any one hath not the Spirit of Christ -- this one is not His; and if Christ is in you, the body, indeed, is dead because of sin, and the Spirit is life because of righteousness, <I think righteousness being Christ died for our sins and after three days received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, Quickened] and if the Spirit of Him who did raise up Jesus out of the dead doth dwell in you, He who did raise up the Christ out of the dead shall quicken also your dying bodies, through His Spirit dwelling in you. 9-11
The soul that sins it shall die. Forever.
The sinless One, Christ died for our sins. Forever, except for the Grace of God.
The righteousness of God which is imputed to us through Christ is the grace of Life from the Father to the Son for the obedience of faith of Christ unto death. IMHO And I think this is related to your Romans 5:1 thread.
Thoughts?