The ideal local church, what is it?

[agedman]

We are not even close to being on the same page. Let's save band width and give it a rest.

Not a problem.

 

[GaoLu]

Dave, to help us understand your position better, would you consider sharing with us some thoughts that might be helpful such as:

1. Your ideas about church membership?
2. Your best experience or what you think would be an ideal experience for a church?
3. What church experiences have worked best for you or are presently working best?
4. Is attending church with a fellowship necessary?
5. Church experiences which would be invalid or harmful?

 

[1689Dave]

Dave, to help us understand your position better, would you consider sharing with us some thoughts that might be helpful such as:

Hi GaoLu

1. Your ideas about church membership? = regular attendance and financial support.
2. Your best experience or what you think would be an ideal experience for a church? = cottage prayer meetings = house church.
3. What church experiences have worked best for you or are presently working best? = cottage prayer meetings = house church.
4. Is attending church with a fellowship necessary? = with caution. If it bothers my conscience to tithe, I move on.
5. Church experiences which would be invalid or harmful? = I avoid Dispensationalism, Pentecostalism, Divorce and Remarriage tolerance, infant baptism, Arminianism.

 

[1689Dave]

Not a problem.

There are several other reasons tongues are fraudulent today. Originally, tongue speakers knew what they were saying. Today's impostors haven't a clue. Paul spells this out if you are interested.

 

[37818]

A former Pastor I had, said in some sermons, "If you ever find a perfect church, don't join it. You'll ruin it." One of the points being, none of us are perfect.

 

[1689Dave]

A former Pastor I had, said in some sermons, "If you ever find a perfect church, don't join it. You'll ruin it." One of the points being, none of us are perfect.

I think some churches are almost perfect and become so when we join

 

[LDE]

What you say does not align with scripture. The interpretation was always by a different person. The messenger did not understand the tongue. The interpreter understood it. The two gifts work together. When the messenger knows the meaning, he does not speak in tongues, he prophesies. You really need to clear yourself up on I Corinthians.

I agree, and properly there will be 1,2 or 3 confirmations of the interpretation given and word for word identical ..

 

[agedman]

There are several other reasons tongues are fraudulent today. Originally, tongue speakers knew what they were saying. Today's impostors haven't a clue. Paul spells this out if you are interested.

I am not contending about the modern charisma that passes off as tongues. Imo, it is not of the work of the Holy Spirit.

Reading my post on this thread carefully, you would know and I have carefully posted, "tongues" are languages used in the nations of this world and that found among the communications of the heavenly. It has nothing to do with the babbling of charismatics.

 

[utilyan]

"The ideal local church, what is it?"
A BAR.

Packed with criminals, scandalous, completely disagreeable everything is falling apart.

So then FINALLY you have to actually have faith in God and depend on him to save everyone there.

Opposed to a place that tells you everything you want to hear and all is perfect, which doesn't take much faith to stick to at all.

 

[agedman]

"The ideal local church, what is it?"
A BAR.

Packed with criminals, scandalous, completely disagreeable everything is falling apart.

So then FINALLY you have to actually have faith in God and depend on him to save everyone there.

Opposed to a place that tells you everything you want to hear and all is perfect, which doesn't take much faith to stick to at all.

You ever hear of Bob Harrington?

 

[GaoLu]

Yesterday I went to an extremely polished mega-church. I saw God working there. I have been in jungle huts with cockroaches running up and down the walls. God was working in His church there. I've seen God working in bamboo churches in the Philippines with rats in the rafters, endured ear-splitting rock concerts in black, darkened churches where God was working in people's lives (in spite of the black rock concert). A while back I was in a Muslim jungle village with only one secretive believer, a former witch doctor. God was working there.

The ideal church is the church where souls are being saved and believers are growing and God is glorified.

 

[utilyan]

You ever hear of Bob Harrington?

Never heard of him till you mentioned. I googled him. I see what you mean.