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The Insanity of the "right" to have guns!

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SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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unprofitable said:
Squire Robertsson has already referred to this verse but Luke 22:36 says, "then said he unto them, But now he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his script: and he that had no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." This new testament verse if quite clear.

This is a command to the disciples of him who could call down 12 legions of angels and had no need for one.

I must assume you are a pacifist by your OP. Please correct me if I am wrong.

I see a vast difference between laying down our lives for the brethren and taking a life protecting one's life and family from a car jacking.

I travel between Tennessee and Virginia quite frequently and do carry my weapon with me. I do have a concealed carry permit also because of my previous profession. I have asked the Lord that I would NEVER be in a situation where I would have to pull it.

However, I could not live with myself thinking that if I had only had a weapon I could have saved by wife from rape or murder should that situation arise. Where is the great love for the life of another in failing to protect one's family?

I Tim 5:8 says, But if any provide not for his own, and specially those of HIS OWN HOUSE, he hath DENIED THE FAITH, and is WORSE THAN AN INFIDEL. Providing for one's family included not only food but also protection. From this I must conclude that the scriptures in now way forbid owning weapons for protection.

I hope you have not denied the faith.

Do you think the Ethiopian treasurer commanded his caravan to discard their weapons after he was baptized by Philip? You know better.

Again I must ask, should the American Christian soldiers have come unarmed to help protect England?
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Did Jesus Tell His Disciples to Buy Swords? - The Gospel Coalition | Canada
 
Squire Robertsson

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SBG, in answer to your question, yes, He did. Your position seems to me to come from the opinions of various good men. But, I (and others here) take Scripture at face value.
 
SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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Squire Robertsson said:
SBG, in answer to your question, yes, He did. Your position seems to me to come from the opinions of various good men. But, I (and others here) take Scripture at face value.
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can you explain what Jesus means in Luke 22:38, “It is enough.”? Does this mean that His Disciples would only require two swords to protect themselves? Or, "enough of this talk"?
 
SavedByGrace

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Squire Robertsson said:
They only needed two swords. IMO, they carried them so they wouldn't be bothered by robbers. It was after dark.
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11 Disciples, against MANY, and they only needed TWO swords?

Why did Jesus also say according to Matthew, at the same event,

"Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword" (26:52)

In Luke, He says to use the sword, as some like you understand it, which I believe is not what Jesus is saying. But, then in Matthew Jesus contradicts Himself? This says that you have misunderstood what Jesus means in Luke
 
SavedByGrace

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Squire Robertsson said:
No. It's just that both are terse statements.
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maybe so, but, is there are contradiction? because you use the passage in Luke to justify the use of weapons, as do many others that I have discussed this with. But, when confronted by Jesus own words in Matthew, they understand Jesus words, "it is enough", not as a sanction for the use of weapons, but that Jesus was saying, "enough of this talk of arms"?
 
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SavedByGrace said:
maybe so, but, is there are contradiction? because you use the passage in Luke to justify the use of weapons, as do many others that I have discussed this with. But, when confronted by Jesus own words in Matthew, they understand Jesus words, "it is enough", not as a sanction for the use of weapons, but that Jesus was saying, "enough of this talk of arms"?
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The disciples would not have been able to beat off those coming to arrest Jesus unless it was what God had wanted. It wasn't. Jesus gave himself up voluntary because it was God's will for him to do so. If the disciples all took up swords and killed all those sent by the high priest that would not have been according to God's plan would it? Jesus gave himself up following God's plan for his life, so he would sacrifice himself on the cross for us all.

However, when an Israeli father fought off godless men with his sword who was attacking his daughter that was God's will. When the British took up arms to fight the Nazis that was God's will. Many soldiers already had training in their youth on Lee Enfield rifles. Now G.B. has no youth trained on rifles like pre WW2. Our country absorbed millions of those Lee Enfield rifles. We bought them in sporting goods departments for cheap, not because they were no good, they are priceless treasures, that shoot fantastic to this day. Millions of them. The market should be gluted with them but they are not. Because the people who bought them know the fantastic bargain they aquired. High quality Rifle's.
 
SavedByGrace

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Conan said:
The disciples would not have been able to beat off those coming to arrest Jesus unless it was what God had wanted. It wasn't. Jesus gave himself up voluntary because it was God's will for him to do so. If the disciples all took up swords and killed all those sent by the high priest that would not have been according to God's plan would it? Jesus gave himself up following God's plan for his life, so he would sacrifice himself on the cross for us all.

However, when an Israeli father fought off godless men with his sword who was attacking his daughter that was God's will. When the British took up arms to fight the Nazis that was God's will. Many soldiers already had training in their youth on Lee Enfield rifles. Now G.B. has no youth trained on rifles like pre WW2. Our country absorbed millions of those Lee Enfield rifles. We bought them in sporting goods departments for cheap, not because they were no good, they are priceless treasures, that shoot fantastic to this day. Millions of them. The market should be gluted with them but they are not. Because the people who bought them know the fantastic bargain they aquired. High quality Rifle's.
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In case you missed it, the OP is about born-again believers and not what the world might do, and how God might use this.

I cannot understand the mentality of the US, of their LOVE for firearms??? The world sees the US as

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