The Israel of God...by the "bad baptist"

[Yeshua1]

Y1

Acts 3:17-26 Nasb



it does not say that here at all...it speaks of gentiles coming in.

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No...they are being told to repent and believe the bible.

Exepe that peter stated plainly that when the Jews receive jesus as promised Messiah, then the Kingdom age of restoration would be ushered in, and we are still waiting for that to happen!

 

[Greektim]

Exepe that peter stated plainly that when the Jews receive jesus as promised Messiah, then the Kingdom age of restoration would be ushered in, and we are still waiting for that to happen!

Not according to Jesus... when the demons are being cast out, God's reign has been restored. The king came, conquered, and ascended to his throne.

 

[Iconoclast]

DHK

I am a dispensationalist and I don't say or believe the most ridicuolous and silly things that I read on that blog.

DHK...no one said you believed this:thumbs:

If you attribute that kind of trash to dispies then you are as bad as he is.

I have heard and read dispensational teachers who said these very things. Others have as well. maybe you have not...

Do you really believe that? Have I ever, even one time, ever, suggested to you that salvation is by works, or by legal obedience? Has any dispensationalist on this board ever suggested to you that salvation is by works?

Most dispensationalists have fled to the mountains on the BB. Either that or you the rapture took place and you are "left behind". They have left you to defend the whole system... Some of the dispensational brethren who could offer you support are hiding .....Sometimes I feel bad about it, I would offer support myself, but I do not want to send a mixed message.

Then why the slanderous accusation?
Why the deliberate misrepresentation.
How can this person outright lie like this and you not see it??

This is not the greatest article on this topic by far...in fact grasshoppers link was superior.....but DHK....I know you do not believe some of these ideas...but you are not dealing with the content or main idea at all....you seem to be deflecting.

There is no strawman here. There is outright mischaracterization of believers in Christ with a different eschatological stance than his. If others can't see that they need to look closer. He needs to repent of such accusations.

He offered his quotes and sources...do not attack this brother...question the content if you want to.

Neither is it the dispensationalist's position. Then what?
Someone is not telling the truth and I know who it is. The author of the blog is a deceiver. Such links ought to be banned IMO. If one is not honest in their representation of the truth then it should not be presented or linked to.

That is your opinion...but you can see many agree in part with his ideas...no one has shown them to be in error.

He suggested that God can fail

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He did not....He was quoting the dispy guy whose teaching suggested such an idea. You misread the link.

Since we don't believe God can fail then he must.

The man does not say that God can fail.

I am not bearing false witness. I am showing you the mischaracterization that he is using. Why throw this trash at someone when they don't believe it?

I believe you misread it.

I dealt with them already. I am simply showing you a common methodology; one that he just used, and is currently used on the board.
It is to quote a so-called "authority" and then assume that he speaks for all.
It doesn't work. Can I quote from the writings of Jack Hyles, as an average Baptist, and say that his theology is representative of yours the others that you associate? Aren't all Baptists the same?

I do not see where he said all believe this.

One thing at a time. I am dealing with how he is dealing with the subject matter, and it isn't with any amount of integrity.

Look at my original post. I took one small portion of his blog and took it apart phrase by phrase, sentence by sentence. I answered it all. It was a complete smear, deceptive, ungodly article. He stated things that others didn't believe. I pointed them out. You don't like it. Read it again.
Salvation is not of works. No one here has ever claimed it is by works.
But he claims that is what dispies believe. Why?
If you can't beat them with scripture then attack them with name calling. That seems to be his method.

again...it appears you misread the article.

 

[Iconoclast]

Y1

Exepe that peter stated plainly that when the Jews receive jesus as promised Messiah,

I do not see this stated plainly in this passage.where do you see the language of.....Jews receive Jesus, as promised messiah?

then the Kingdom age of restoration would be ushered in,

Where do you see the term Kingdom age? or kingdom age of restoration?

and we are still waiting for that to happen!

You can wait,,,but most know it has already been started.

 

[DHK]

DHK

DHK...no one said you believed this

I have gone back to the original link. It appears that I did some looking around, and then quoted from an article on that site but not the one that the link gives. It is the same site however. This is where the confusion arises.
Look carefully here:
http://www.badbaptist.com/the-israel-of-god/#more-293

If you read this article you will read such things as these total misrepresentations of the views of dispensationalism:

Even if God should resurrect the throne on which David sat, which throne has long since decayed and turned to dust, it would indeed be a demotion of the lowest order for our Lord, who occupies the throne of heaven, to be a successor to a throne once occupied by an earthly king! And yet this is one of the very highpoints in dispensational eschatology. Jesus, they say, failed once to sit on the throne of David, but at the Second Advent he is to have that high honor! Our Lord has for nearly two thousand years occupied the throne of which David’s throne was a mere type. Peter depicts this in Acts 2:29-36.

Really? How juvenile that a person should think this is what we believe. This guy really is someting. He won't tell the truth about dispensationalism, so he will post sarcastic lies instead. It is pitiful.

And again:

Why did the Christ fail in his attempt to establish a kingdom during his first advent? Dispensationalists say it was because his success depended on the consent of the Jewish nation. S. D. Gordon (Quiet Talks About Jesus, p. 131) says: “Everything must be done through man’s consent.” Commenting further on this he said (sec. IV):

Nobody here believes Christ failed. Why post it?

And the charge that dispensationalists would believe in salvation by works:

Noting again that dispensationalists teach the kingdom to have been offered, rejected, and postponed until a later age, we pose the question: What if the Jews had accepted Jesus’ offer to establish an earthly Davidic kingdom at his first advent? According to dispensationalist teaching, people would then have been saved by legal obedience. In the light of this fact, dispensationalism would also teach…when carried to its logical conclusion… that the cross would not have been necessary as a means of salvation.

I don't believe any of the trash this person posts. His site is not legitimate. I trust now you can see my objections a bit more clearly.

 

[Yeshua1]

Not according to Jesus... when the demons are being cast out, God's reign has been restored. The king came, conquered, and ascended to his throne.

In the p terson of Jesus, yes, the Kingdom had come unto the earth, but the fullness of his kingdom was not ushed into the earth at that time, or do youy see famines/diseases, wicked nations, false religions not worshipping true God as what the messianic Age of messiah would be as paradise reborn?

 

[Yeshua1]

Y1



I do not see this stated plainly in this passage.where do you see the language of.....Jews receive Jesus, as promised messiah?


Where do you see the term Kingdom age? or kingdom age of restoration?



You can wait,,,but most know it has already been started.

Paul stated that right now God is working with gentiles, until the fulness of us are brought in, and THEN deals with isreal...
isreal accepting her messiah would being about a retoration, and in the contex given, that was the essianic Age of their King ruling over them on earth!
peter stated that isreal acc

 

[HankD]

Recently this idea of who or what is Israel came up....look here as the bad Baptist offers a study on it for some to get up to speed on this....Do you agree or disagree....answer with scripture and then your reasons for your understanding:thumbs::thumbs:

http://www.badbaptist.com/hot-topics/

Being a citizen of Israel is no guarantee of God's approval:

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Characteristics of a true Israelite:

John 1:47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!

Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

And yes I am a "dispie" (but not of the "cookie cutter" kind).

HankD

 

[Revmitchell]

Recently this idea of who or what is Israel came up....look here as the bad Baptist offers a study on it for some to get up to speed on this....Do you agree or disagree....answer with scripture and then your reasons for your understanding:thumbs::thumbs:

http://www.badbaptist.com/hot-topics/

Your source misrepresents dispensationalism through his biased characterization:

According to dispensationalist, God has two distinct bodies of people with whom he is working: Israel and the Church. There is a separate plan for each of these two peoples. Israel is said to be an earthly people, while the church represents a heavenly body. National Israel’s expectation is an earthly kingdom; the church’s hope is eternal bliss in heaven. While the church realized her goal through belief in the finished work of Christ on the cross, Israel’s goal will finally be realized through legal obedience.

I suggest you find someone who actually knows what they are talking about and can do it fairly anf without all the emotion.

 

[Yeshua1]

Your source misrepresents dispensationalism through his biased characterization:




I suggest you find someone who actually knows what they are talking about and can do it fairly anf without all the emotion.

yes, as I don't know of any here who hold to Dispy, and also states that the Church and the Jewish peoples are saved under different Covenants, as both saved by the New One!

 

[Iconoclast]

HankD

Being a citizen of Israel is no guarantee of God's approval:

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

:thumbs:

Characteristics of a true Israelite:

John 1:47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!

Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

:thumbs:

And yes I am a "dispie" (but not of the "cookie cutter" kind).

HankD

Hank....as long as you know He is coming back and we are to serve him now is the main concern. It does affect how you live and how you evangelize .

I was dispensational for a long time. It was when I studied Hebrews carefully that my understanding began to be fractured.
Then I was curious how most of the godly teachers I was reading did not share my view that I had been taught.
A little bit at a time...the view became harder to defend. I have no axe to grind , except with some who become blinded to examination.

 

[Yeshua1]

HankD

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[/B]

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Hank....as long as you know He is coming back and we are to serve him now is the main concern. It does affect how you live and how you evangelize .

I was dispensational for a long time. It was when I studied Hebrews carefully that my understanding began to be fractured.
Then I was curious how most of the godly teachers I was reading did not share my view that I had been taught.
A little bit at a time...the view became harder to defend. I have no axe to grind , except with some who become blinded to examination.

The spiritual Isrealite is the Jewish person whom the Lord jesus has saved, like the Apostle Paul!

 

[asterisktom]

The means was taken away when the Veil was rent in twain at His death.
The picture that the sacrifices foreshadowed was nullified, when His blood was shed.
The priesthood changed .

Maybe the Israelites clung to tradition, until 70 A.D., but it was empty.

Mat 23:37-39
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

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