37818
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@SavedByGrace,
Over all I love your posts dealing with the errors of JW's.
Over all I love your posts dealing with the errors of JW's.
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The Jehovah’s Witnesses and The Holy Spirit
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He never was Michael!
37818
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How do you know that He was never Who is like God?
Nowhere in the scriptures ever was called that name!
37818
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Ok. The question then does the name "Who is like God" apply or cannot be applied to the Son? John Gill uses "as" for "like", "Who is as God." That seems to be the basis for his belief. In the 17-1800's it was more common for genuine Christians to believe that name points to the Son. That idea did not come out of nowhere. But believers believing in the Son of God being true God too. Understand this.
Michael never is said to be the Creator or God!
37818
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That is an argumen from silence. The eternal Son of God is never called in the Bible the eternal Son of God. The term Trinity is never used either. For Jesus is never directly said, "Jesus is God."
Now John 1:3 makes our Lord Jesus Christ the sole Creator. "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." Ephesians 3:9, ". . . God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: . . ." Colossians 1:16-17, ". . . all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." Hebrews 1:3, ". . . upholding all things by the word of his power, . . ." Literally showing our Lord Jesus Christ to be God the uncaused Cause.
He was the eternal Word of the father, who became the Son when Incarnated, and jesus clamed to "be God" many times!
37818
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Jesus inferred His deity, but never said the words, "I am God." John 8:24, John 5:18. We know He was the eternal Son because the OT appearances of God (Genesis 12:7, John 8:56) we are told in John 1:18 that was the "Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
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Alan Gross
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It is a miss-stated and/or misconstruing of "Office".
Certainly, "My God, My God, why hath Thou Forsaken Me", indicates Jesus' Position as to The Office of The Son, The Second Person of The Godhead.
Just like many other instances.
Alan Gross
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30 "Then I was by Him, as one brought up with Him*: and I was daily His Delight, rejoicing always before Him;"
Jesus Rejoiced before The Father, ALWAYS............
* Speaking of the Eternal Nurturing Relationship and speaking in the most respect to The Divine Essence of Both The Father, Paternally, and His Eternal Son, Who is God.
Alan Gross
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Yep, that's the Scripture you need to see if you have the rule and requirement, placed on The Eternal Godhead, that Jesus must say the words, "I am God", instead of His not disagreeing with Thomas, for example.
I say this every inconspicuous time I can to False Witnesses.
I, also, none conspicously, will yell at them, "have you ever heard where Jesus Says, 'if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins?"
They say, sure.
24 "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins:
for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins."
SavedByGrace
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The KJV has got the English wrong here. The Greek is, "γαρ μη πιστευσητε οτι εγω ειμι αποθανεισθε εν ταις αμαρτιαις υμων", which literally is, "For if you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins". There is no "he", in the Greek text. This error is in a few places, and ruins the words as they are a reference to Exodus 3:14, where the LXX has it, "Ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν", that is, "I AM the eternal One", which in the Hebrew is the basis for the Name, "YHWH", the "Eternal, Uncreated, Unchanging God".
37818
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Is a common false teaching. The truth of Proverbs 8:30 is the spirit of Understanding (v.14) speaking to the LORD God, the Son (v.22, John 1:3).
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37818
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The KJV translaters added that "he" in italics to show they added it. Also ss in a few other places, like in John 13:19.
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37818
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Which is a denial that the Son being Yehwah was always the Son.
SavedByGrace
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I know, but exactly why they did this is a mystery!
Alan Gross
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Your's is quite the little shortsighted false teaching.
37818
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So the Son can never be called, Who is like God."? John 1:2.
SavedByGrace
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I am not too convinced from Scripture, that Jesus Christ was always the "Son" of God. Hebrews 1:5 says "I will be a Father to Him", which is an OT Prophecy about Jesus, fulfilled at His Incaration. Either way, I cannot see how saying Jesus is not the eternal Son, "is a denial that the Son being Yehwah"? It is not correct theology
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