You provided no explanation. Simply to provide a pile of texts with no explanation is useless. I know they're in the Bible. I want to know how you interpret them. You talk of
Christus Victor theory. I am able to discuss Gustav Aulen who wrote an eponymous book about it, but you tell me to forget him. OK, but you need to tell me how you interpret
Christus Victor and you haven't yet done so.
So what you're telling me is to unscrew my head and leave it on the table, and forget all those texts that speak of the righteousness and holiness of God which I keep quoting to you and you keep dodging. It is only when God's justice has been satisfied that anyone can start looking at a righteousness apart from the law. Until that point, the law remains unsatisfied.
It doesn't help at all. Would you like me to bore your pants off telling you how I became convinced of the Doctrine of Penal Substitution when I didn't even know that such a doctrine existed. I did it by reading the Bible and finding it present throughout the Scriptures..
This is, as I've said before, a false dichotomy. If there were no sinners, there would be no sin and
vice versa. I don't find the truck analogy helpful, but God hates sin (Psalm 45:7) and is angry with sinners (Psalm 7:11), so if you sin (which everybody does), God will punish you for committing sin. To be sure we have to die to sin and be born anew, but that is not something we can do for ourselves, and before it can happen, our sins must be atoned for.
Someone must pay. God will not justify the wicked (Exodus 23:7 etc.). If the Lord Jesus Christ does not stand in my place and take the just punishment due my sins upon His own sinless shoulders, I must take that punishment myself. But, praise God,
'while we were still sinners, Christ died for the ungodly.' God's wrath against sin and sinners is exhausted in the case of His elect upon the sinless Christ, and God can be
'just and the justifier of the one who believes in Jesus.' The resurrection is the evidence that Christ propitiation has been effective. Christ
'was raised because of our justification' (Romans 4:25). The justification was achieved upon the cross (Romans 5:9; Hebrews 9:22; 10:12), and God raised the Lord Jesus to show that the sacrifice was accepted.
Not helpful at all, I'm afraid. I still don't understand where your theory of
Christus Victor satisfies the justice and holiness of God. If you can show me that, backed up with Scripture, we may get somewhere.
On another thread, you wrote this:
"Mankind was under a curse as evidenced by our disobedience to God and magnified by the Law. The Father gave His Son for the human race, that Christ would take upon Himself our curse, knowing that He would raise Him up from the dead. The Cross was the preordained and foreknown will of God.
God laid on Christ our iniquities. He bears our sins. He makes our sins His own by taking us (flawed as we are) unto Himself. As man He suffered as we suffer and took upon Himself our curse (as one member suffers so does the whole body). Jesus took upon Himself the suffering of man and made our sickness His. And He was chastened on our behalf and suffered a penalty He did not owe but which we owed because of our sins. In this way Christ became the source of our forgiveness – because He received death for us and transferred to Himself the suffering which was due us.
If God’s wrath is to be taken away from me and I am to obtain forgiveness, someone must merit this for me because I cannot do it myself. God cannot remit the wrath towards me unless amends is made (God does not simply ignore unrighteousness). Scripture tells us that Christ mediates on our behalf. Christ became our Advocate by his own blood – His suffering and death – as He lay down His life as a sacrifice for us. His own life, His holiness and righteousness, overshadowed all of the sin and wrath He bore on behalf of mankind because He is God (Hebrews 4-5). Sin and death was swallowed up and by His stripes we are healed."
This might serve as a basis for discussion, but I asked you before if you stand by the statement. I ask you again; is this an accurate reflection of your views?
It's a hypothetical question. Christ did bear man's punishment (Isaiah 53:5).
NE is denying that Christ bore our sins, became a curse for us, became sin for us, propitiated God's wrath on our behalf, that the chastisement for our well being fell upon Him, or that by His stripes we are healed.